2022 GMC HUMMER EV revealed as a 1,000-hp, 350-mile, fast-charging beast

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The tech is further along than many know or want to acknowledge.
https://www.zf.com/mobile/en/technol..._mobility.html

And the reality on the ground is further behind than many want to admit.

Most of my career has been in the logistics and agricultural industries and the number of remote job sites that lack even basic access to electricity is still impressively high. To say nothing of the many home owned ag equipment that is kept in relatively (or not) remote areas. Some of this equipment has to be able to sit around for many months, unused without a power outlet in sight.

Until localized, on demand high energy density power production gets figured out, hydrocarbons will continue to burn.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

And the reality on the ground is further behind than many want to admit.

Most of my career has been in the logistics and agricultural industries and the number of remote job sites that lack even basic access to electricity is still impressively high. To say nothing of the many home owned ag equipment that is kept in relatively (or not) remote areas. Some of this equipment has to be able to sit around for many months, unused without a power outlet in sight.

Until localized, on demand high energy density power production gets figured out, hydrocarbons will continue to burn.

I agree with the agro assessment. The transportation aspect is where we will see the early elimination of ICE.

[Opie]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

There is going to need to be a quantum leap in portable electric generation, and energy storage for that to happen. Industrial and agricultural will lag well behind consumer commuter vehicles and even commuter cars will take decades before becoming a majority or large minority of vehicles on the road.

It's taken how many years to come up with a mostly practical, almost mass market personal transportation appliance ? And even then issues remain. Electric semis, combines and dump trucks are going to take even more work and time to become practical for even most applications.

Just like steam, ICE will probably still be around for a good, long while.

Nuclear will again come to the forefront. Just as electric vehicles have improved rapidly, safe, nuclear energy is now leaps and bounds above what it was just a short time ago. And cheaper than any other power source.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I agree with the agro assessment. The transportation aspect is where we will see the early elimination of ICE.

Personal transportation, sure, I could see the caveats being mostly accepted and lived around by most people in their daily lives. Assuming those issues aren't improved significantly over the next decade or so.

Freight/trucking/logistics transportation will be a much tougher row to hoe.

Local routes, maybe. Long haul OTR trucking, especially expedited freight that may require it's own special trailer with separate power supply that needs to be maintained is another matter entirely.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Opie

Nuclear will again come to the forefront. Just as electric vehicles have improved rapidly, safe, nuclear energy is now leaps and bounds above what it was just a short time ago. And cheaper than any other power source.

Are these going to be portable nukes that anyone can setup on a job site ? Otherwise, how are you getting the electricity to the trucks ?

When my father was growing up in the atomic age, he was told that in the future electricity would be so cheap and abundant that houses wouldn't have electric meters and people would simply pay a small, flat monthly service fee regardless of usage. Hopefully people haven't been holding their breath for that since the 50's.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Personal transportation, sure, I could see the caveats being mostly accepted and lived around by most people in their daily lives. Assuming those issues aren't improved significantly over the next decade or so.

Freight/trucking/logistics transportation will be a much tougher row to hoe.
Local routes, maybe. Long haul OTR trucking, especially expedited freight that may require it's own special trailer with separate power supply that needs to be maintained is another matter entirely.

ZF are trialing some semi autonomous electric trucks this very minute. They are planned for active field trials next year. Now, these are primarily for the European market where even the long hauls are not all that long but the early stages of actual practical use are happening now.


https://www.zf.com/products/en/speci..._vehicles.html

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Local routes, maybe. Long haul OTR trucking, especially expedited freight that may require it's own special trailer with separate power supply that needs to be maintained is another matter entirely.

The only real alternative in the short to medium term here is hydrogen. Not sure why the prevailing theory is it needs to be a one size fits all solution. We don't even have that now. Gasoline, LP and Diesel have lived side by side with no issues for a really long time.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The only real alternative in the short to medium term here is hydrogen. Not sure why the prevailing theory is it needs to be a one size fits all solution. We don't even have that now. Gasoline, LP and Diesel have lived side by side with no issues for a really long time.

And no saying that what already exists in any of those fuels can not be retrofitted!
https://press.zf.com/press/en/releas...ease_7047.html

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

ZF are trialing some semi autonomous electric trucks this very minute. They are planned for active field trials next year. Now, these are primarily for the European market where even the long hauls are not all that long but the early stages of actual practical use are happening now.

When they can get a fully loaded electric semi from St. Petersburg, Russia to Madrid, Spain with a transit time of 6 days (pickup on day 1, deliver on day 6) we will have arrived.

That's actually about 200 miles shorter than the longest regular run we used to make but close enough.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

When they can get a fully loaded electric semi from St. Petersburg, Russia to Madrid, Spain with a transit time of 6 days (pickup on day 1, deliver on day 6) we will have arrived.

That's actually about 200 miles shorter than the longest regular run we used to make but close enough.

Well if they have locals running in the next 5 years and my statement was "within the lifetime of most member here" then they have another 15 years or so after that to pull it off. Don't think that is unreasonable at all.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Are these going to be portable nukes that anyone can setup on a job site ? Otherwise, how are you getting the electricity to the trucks ?

When my father was growing up in the atomic age, he was told that in the future electricity would be so cheap and abundant that houses wouldn't have electric meters and people would simply pay a small, flat monthly service fee regardless of usage. Hopefully people haven't been holding their breath for that since the 50's.

In a way, yes. Smaller reactors all over the place.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-is-approved/

Originally Posted by WildCard600

When they can get a fully loaded electric semi from St. Petersburg, Russia to Madrid, Spain with a transit time of 6 days (pickup on day 1, deliver on day 6) we will have arrived.

That's actually about 200 miles shorter than the longest regular run we used to make but close enough.

Battery swapping is an option. Hydrogen is another. Battery semis will outperform the ICEs in every metric, except range. Uphill and downhill speeds/performance could greatly improve to reduce transport times or make up for battery swaps/recharging, and autonomous electric trucks will reduce the cost of shipping and improve the speed because there are no drivers that are required to sleep or stop to eat.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

autonomous electric trucks will reduce the cost of shipping and improve the speed because there are no drivers that are required to sleep or stop to eat.

That's a scary thought.

I don't believe this will ever happen, at least not on our current road infrastructure. We already have a technology that is perfectly fit for autonomous transport (trains) yet there are still minders on them.

If it does happen, it will be surprising to see it survive the first accident, whether the fault of the autonomous truck or not.

[Sapphireho]

What I love most is them using devil music from 1970 to sell an electric truck.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

In a way, yes. Smaller reactors all over the place.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-is-approved/







Battery swapping is an option. Hydrogen is another. Battery semis will outperform the ICEs in every metric, except range. Uphill and downhill speeds/performance could greatly improve to reduce transport times or make up for battery swaps/recharging, and autonomous electric trucks will reduce the cost of shipping and improve the speed because there are no drivers that are required to sleep or stop to eat.

With shipping it's easy, you just swap trucks. One charges while the other drives the next segment. It is then does the next segement when the next trailer arrives. It will work well for the larger companies anyway who can handle the logistics.

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