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09-29-2020, 11:17 PM | #43 |
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No idea what kinda dyno this is but they RaceChip, are based out of Europe so they talk about everything in BHP at the flywheel through conversions... Dyno @4:10 The actually graph shows 227whp... If it is underrated it ain't by much.
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Having driven different BMWs in the past, I wouldn't say they are a better build. They have maintenance issues and the build quality is not as it used to be. For example, I could find in many respects my Subaru Forester a more well build car comparing to a high spec'd BMW X1 with even plastic parts falling down. A nice look and feel is one thing, but a good build quality is another thing. Also Japanese paint doesn’t tend to be thinner (other than Mazda who use their SkyaActiv paint system). Japanese paint tends to be softer which leads to the false thinking that it is not thick enough, but it isn’t a set rule. It is true that you will find in German cars thicker glass and stuff that give them a more solid, less squeaky and less tinny/cheap feel. Same about the torsional stiffness, but all these with the expense of weight! In fact, I am quite surprised how the torsional stiffness of 86 went up in the revision model without adding much weight, which is the correct way of doing it. |
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We have it on the Q5. It is turned off except when we are stuck in traffic lines like when we were leaving the Giants game or any such situations.
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Sounds like a lot of things that can go wrong in the Supra. Reminds me of when I was in the market for a new sports car last year and was liking the looks of the BMW-Z4...until my BMW-owner friends talked me out of it, saying that I “don’t want to own a BMW older than 10yo unless I enjoyed chatting with my local BMW mechanics on a regular basis.”
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It is well built like an Acura or Lexus is more well built than a Honda or Lexus, respectively. Reliability is a different thing. In theory, premium and luxury vehicles have more parts making more power with more weight, so their rate of failure is likely to be higher given the same standards. Sometimes this is the case, but sometimes it is not the case. Regardless, I was referring to the things that increase the cost of the parts. The paint on my Q5 is much better and thicker than the Subaru by a long shot. The Acura NSX has a special $6k paint option, which obviously is a special vehicle, but most premium brands give more paint options and higher, premium paint options. Just having more features and more options of a model raises the base cost of vehicles before adding those options. Most technologies trickle down from premium vehicles, which includes better metallurgy and structural integrity techniques.
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He might be going off the assumption the new 86 would be on TNGA, which seems to be a revision of their previous architecture with increased stiffness, yet is lighter.
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I would pray that the new car is not TNGA
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All of the above. There are premium paint options on premium cars, and their base paints are higher quality and thicker/more layers. I assumed you meant the second gen. Like @CSG Mike said... source? I wasn’t aware torsional stiffness was improved on the revision, except for the engine, which in that case, it increased weight very mildly because the change was mild.
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I also liked German cars, but things were much much better a couple of decades ago. In fact all my previous cars were German but, I am not a fan of them anymore. I was also living the last 9 years in Germany, but again they didn't convince me as a customer to go back to them. Yes the revision model is quite changed. Biggest change is not the 5hp increase the media was mentioning about. It feels more rigid, refined and upscale. Especially editions like the Hakone or similar editions in Europe. There are different reviews posted here, but I had the opportunity to see the differences lately myself. |
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Again, what’s your source for the revision? I see here you attached the revision changes. I couldn’t find anything about increasing chassis torsional stiffness. Maybe you made an error? https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=302
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