Valve spring recall can’t start car

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I don't think manufacturers plan on the engine needing taken that far apart during it's expected life so it is not a consideration. If it wasn't for the valve spring recall nobody would be having this conversation about the FA20. I prefer the sealant over gaskets, even with it's PITA quirkiness I honestly think a lot of the failures have less to do with the techs being uneducated, and more to do with lack of care and trying to rush to make book time.

After such a terrible track record of failures it seems they'd have the techs be more careful.

It's like me building a house and telling my window installers to hurry up and don't take too much time when flashing the windows. Then the windows leak and that extra time to do it right would have been a hell of a lot cheaper

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by TommyW

After such a terrible track record of failures it seems they'd have the techs be more careful.

It's like me building a house and telling my window installers to hurry up and don't take too much time when flashing the windows. Then the windows leak and that extra time to do it right would have been a hell of a lot cheaper

They released updated instructions with pages devoted to telling them to be more careful and take their time.

Page 31 starts it.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...8V772-6522.pdf

Instances of failure seem to be greatly reduced from the beginning. But again, it comes down to guys in a rush trying to make money. Being flat rate you only get paid book time. This pays 12.5 hours, which is tight when considering you need to clean and reseal all surfaces. You also don't know what condition the car coming in is going to be in. It could be a greasy mess and require tons of extra cleanup. There is a reason techs don't last, they either suck, they have a conscious, or they can't make time. The guys that do last are usually pretty damn good.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

The guys that do last are usually pretty damn good.

Or, they open their own shop. That's the case with the mechanics I use. They were the top stars at their dealerships, but got tired of giving all the money to them.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Or, they open their own shop. That's the case with the mechanics I use. They were the top stars at their dealerships, but got tired of giving all the money to them.

How can they open their own shop? It has been made very clear by many people in these threads that techs only know the one type of engine where they are currently employed and all other makes just totally baffle them. It is impossible for techs to work on different engines so private shops need to specialize in one make only or have a different tech depending upon what car needs to be worked on.
This of course has been determined by guys with zero training or experience that feel they are personally capable of doing a $500 engine swap in their driveway over the course of an afternoon!

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

They released updated instructions with pages devoted to telling them to be more careful and take their time.

Page 31 starts it.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...8V772-6522.pdf

Instances of failure seem to be greatly reduced from the beginning. But again, it comes down to guys in a rush trying to make money. Being flat rate you only get paid book time. This pays 12.5 hours, which is tight when considering you need to clean and reseal all surfaces. You also don't know what condition the car coming in is going to be in. It could be a greasy mess and require tons of extra cleanup. There is a reason techs don't last, they either suck, they have a conscious, or they can't make time. The guys that do last are usually pretty damn good.

Excellent post.

Yes My rebuild was 30 hours. Everything done not only right but better than right. Painstaking attention to detail.

[DarkSideFRS]

My conspiracy theory is this. Toyota and subaru lost a lot of money due to this recall. How do they make up for it? F*ck up the motor so that increased sales of longblocks will make up for recall related costs. That's how I see it.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

My conspiracy theory is this. Toyota and subaru lost a lot of money due to this recall. How do they make up for it? F*ck up the motor so that increased sales of longblocks will make up for recall related costs. That's how I see it.

Well played Conspiracy Theory Sir, well played...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

How can they open their own shop? It has been made very clear by many people in these threads that techs only know the one type of engine where they are currently employed and all other makes just totally baffle them. It is impossible for techs to work on different engines so private shops need to specialize in one make only or have a different tech depending upon what car needs to be worked on.
This of course has been determined by guys with zero training or experience that feel they are personally capable of doing a $500 engine swap in their driveway over the course of an afternoon!

Oh right, my bad...carry on...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

My conspiracy theory is this. Toyota and subaru lost a lot of money due to this recall. How do they make up for it? F*ck up the motor so that increased sales of longblocks will make up for recall related costs. That's how I see it.

Or they were covering up all the ones that failed due to poorly applied sealant DIRECTLY FROM THE FACTORY!

People have either ignored, forgotten or didn't even know that there were over 30 reported early 2013 engines that spun bearings due to oil starvation years before the recall was even heard of. Most of those engines had never been opened and the sealant was untouched by human hands prior to their failure. Most of those were blamed on the owner but there were enough posts showing blocked oil passages to present the theory that the sealant was improperly applied right from the start. In all probability the robots applying it were still not dialed in properly and they messed up just like the human techs did later.
These failure have all but been forgotten since the recall and pushed way back in the pile but a really ambitious member may be able to dig them up. There are reams and reams of arguments with me presenting this theory and a couple of other people calling me a moron because it was impossible to miss apply the sealant and ruin an engine. They all sopped talking when the recall failures started.
Wait... What is that guy in a Subaru shirt pointing at me? Is that a laser targeting dot on my chestttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt t

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or they were covering up all the ones that failed due to poorly applied sealant DIRECTLY FROM THE FACTORY!



People have either ignored, forgotten or didn't even know that there were over 30 reported early 2013 engines that spun bearings due to oil starvation years before the recall was even heard of. Most of those engines had never been opened and the sealant was untouched by human hands prior to their failure. Most of those were blamed on the owner but there were enough posts showing blocked oil passages to present the theory that the sealant was improperly applied right from the start. In all probability the robots applying it were still not dialed in properly and they messed up just like the human techs did later.

These failure have all but been forgotten since the recall and pushed way back in the pile but a really ambitious member may be able to dig them up. There are reams and reams of arguments with me presenting this theory and a couple of other people calling me a moron because it was impossible to miss apply the sealant and ruin an engine. They all sopped talking when the recall failures started.

Wait... What is that guy in a Subaru shirt pointing at me? Is that a laser targeting dot on my chestttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt t

I was not aware, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's pretty easy to miss-apply. I eff'd up on the cam carrier on one side and had to clean it off and redo it before I even installed it on the head. I used a caulking gun to apply it but it is hard to brace and try to apply properly without slipping up. Plus my hands would get tired.



Here is my spare engine I pulled apart that was assembled by a master tech at a Toyota dealer. Note sealant all the way to the cam lobe

[jiffyjhn]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I thought you lived in Canada?

Moved to US but never changed my profile

[jiffyjhn]

Called the dealership today.
They said they found the issue it was something about high pressure pump not being connected properly and that they corrected it and the car is running properly now.
I am going to pick up the car later today.

I asked them about warranty on the engine in case something goes wrong after the recall it will be covered. he said on the phone that if any issues arise within 12 months I can bring it back. but they will not give any document in writing for the warranty.

Now I am debating whether to sell it and get something else as daily driver. Will the wrongly connected fuel pump during the service and numerous rough starts have damage/have negative effects on the engine in the long term? when I was at the dealership trying to start the car with the fuel pump issue it was rattling quite violently so I'm concerned about the long term heath of the engine.

[padillaricardo48]

Originally Posted by jiffyjhn

Called the dealership today.
They said they found the issue it was something about high pressure pump not being connected properly and that they corrected it and the car is running properly now.
I am going to pick up the car later today.

I asked them about warranty on the engine in case something goes wrong after the recall it will be covered. he said on the phone that if any issues arise within 12 months I can bring it back. but they will not give any document in writing for the warranty.

Now I am debating whether to sell it and get something else as daily driver. Will the wrongly connected fuel pump during the service and numerous rough starts have damage/have negative effects on the engine in the long term? when I was at the dealership trying to start the car with the fuel pump issue it was rattling quite violently so I'm concerned about the long term heath of the engine.

Good to hear that brotha , and yess u have 12 months or 12k miles witch ever comes first.

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[DarkSideFRS]

If they messed that up, what else do u think is messed up lol