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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Nuclear is the answer.

And battery storage of energy is not. Think about how many resources must be mined and manufactured for batteries...that have a finite life. It's a hugely wasteful endeavor that is NOT good for the planet.

Yes on nuclear.

Nuclear doesn't get pollution off the highways. Do you have an alternative to batteries that either reduces pollution production or involves enough carbon capture to offset production?

Batteries can be recycled. It may be possible to produce batteries that are greener, so they don't use rare metals or have toxic components. We do have million mile batteries coming, so repurposing the batteries for grid storage seems like the most logical solution. We could run nuclear at higher levels and wouldn't need to rely on burning coal and natural gas to augment production to match demand because we could just pull from batteries either at the home level or at a city utility level.

[ls1ac]

There are two things happening right now.
One the work on Graphene batteries. About ten times the energy storage of lithium-ion batteries, and a much faster charge time. Both Tesla and Samsung are working to make them cost efficient.
Two is the direct conversion of water by heat from nuclear energy plants to hydrogen and oxygen from water during off hours. Right now the plants try to follow the daily use curve witch is not an efficient way to run a reactor. (Oxygen is the most saleable gas. )
Not sure how this will work out. Wide use of electric vehicles will require large amounts of electricity for charging that has to be available on demand. Figure the amount of energy that is now delivered by diesel and gas around the country.
Hydrogen requires infrastructure for many point delivery but can be produced and stored for later delivery.
Once the infrastructure is in place it can be used in place of natural gas for heat and cooling with the product of combustion being water. Even electricity can be produced with a fuel cell. We no longer need AC to produce time information as small clocks keep good time and the national time source in Colorado is available for more accurate needs.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

There are two things happening right now.
One the work on Graphene batteries. About ten times the energy storage of lithium-ion batteries, and a much faster charge time. Both Tesla and Samsung are working to make them cost efficient.

Two is the direct conversion of water by heat from nuclear energy plants to hydrogen and oxygen from water during off hours. Right now the plants try to follow the daily use curve witch is not an efficient way to run a reactor. (Oxygen is the most saleable gas. )

Not sure how this will work out. Wide use of electric vehicles will require large amounts of electricity for charging that has to be available on demand. Figure the amount of energy that is now delivered by diesel and gas around the country.
Hydrogen requires infrastructure for many point delivery but can be produced and stored for later delivery.

Once the infrastructure is in place it can be used in place of natural gas for heat and cooling with the product of combustion being water. Even electricity can be produced with a fuel cell. We no longer need AC to produce time information as small clocks keep good time and the national time source in Colorado is available for more accurate needs.

We will have batteries for cars. We will have new and used batteries for grid storage. We can simply use nuclear for green energy production then store the extra energy in batteries when demand is low. We will likely have a surplus of other technologies like solar, wind, hydro that can be modified to not add power back to the grid if demand is too low and battery storage is high, or we could discharge the batteries, but this isn't ideal. Unless we have huge fluctuations in power needs that could not be managed well enough by those methods then I could see the need of using nuclear to produce hydrogen.

The problem is adding more complexity because then we need to develop industrial scale hydrolysis plants. Then we will need to develop a network of storing and delivering hydrogen fuel, which means converting existing fossil fuel stations or building new stations. Then we need to develop cars that are inherently more complex than battery powered cars. The converse is much easier. Every home already has a power supply and a plug. Installing supercharging stations is much cheaper and faster than building hydrogen fuel stations.

The article below talks about a new approach to producing hydrogen from saltwater without the production of toxic chlorine gas. Either way, we would probably need to have water processing plants that remove certain impurities before water would then go through a hydrolysis reaction, so those would need to be built too.

https://phys.org/news/2018-08-closer...-seawater.html

I think hydrogen will be an integral part of a greener future, but I don't know how much of a roll it will play in the future of transportation. Realistically, if we had solid state car batteries that were smaller, lighter and more powerful, so range went up even more, and they could charge in five minutes then hydrogen would be a non-starter. If we had swappable batteries for semis as an option then there is no point in trying to use hydrogen.

[Irace86.2.0]

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Yes on nuclear.

Nuclear doesn't get pollution off the highways. Do you have an alternative to batteries that either reduces pollution production or involves enough carbon capture to offset production?

Batteries can be recycled. It may be possible to produce batteries that are greener, so they don't use rare metals or have toxic components. We do have million mile batteries coming, so repurposing the batteries for grid storage seems like the most logical solution. We could run nuclear at higher levels and wouldn't need to rely on burning coal and natural gas to augment production to match demand because we could just pull from batteries either at the home level or at a city utility level.

Agreed, but we're not even close to that point yet. Until we are mass production of these inferior batteries is a waste of energy and resources. Definitely hope that current vehicle batteries are recycled as bank systems in homes.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Agreed, but we're not even close to that point yet. Until we are, mass production of these inferior batteries is a waste of energy and resources. Definitely hope that current vehicle batteries are recycled as bank systems in homes.

Currently used and undamaged batteries are being sold on the internet for battery upgrades and for people retrofitting these into home storage. A Tesla home Powerwall is $6,500 for a 14kW unit, but a used battery on eBay is $10k for like 75kW unit. Many companies and startups are buying used batteries and repacking them for home use. Nissan installed a few different systems using used Leaf batteries, one being this stadium backup system:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electre...batteries/amp/

[NoHaveMSG]

In the future we could have nuclear batteries.

https://thenextweb.com/shift/2020/08...hout-charging/

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

In the future we could have nuclear batteries.

https://thenextweb.com/shift/2020/08...hout-charging/

i already saw how that one ends.
https://rickandmorty.fandom.com/wiki/Microverse_Battery