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JesseG · 08-14-2020, 04:13 PM

Yes the S2000 cost more, I don’t think it would be priced at $50k plus today. I know you meant with inflation it would cost that much based on the original MSRP.
It’s also a convertible which adds complexity and cost. I would agree it was in a class above the twins. If Toyota/Subaru built the twins to a higher price point, they would be able to compete with the S2000. It also makes you realize what a good sports car the S2000 was/is.

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JesseG · 08-14-2020, 04:17 PM

Actually I take that back. A modern S2000 would probably cost $50K plus. It would be in the Supra price range I think.

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Yoshoobaroo · 08-14-2020, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseG

Yes the S2000 cost more, I don’t think it would be priced at $50k plus today. I know you meant with inflation it would cost that much based on the original MSRP.
It’s also a convertible which adds complexity and cost. I would agree it was in a class above the twins. If Toyota/Subaru built the twins to a higher price point, they would be able to compete with the S2000. It also makes you realize what a good sports car the S2000 was/is.

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yep. Let's also remember the S2000 competed with the base Boxster and BMW Z4. How much are those cars now? 50K+ for the Z4, 60k+ for the Cayman.

NoHaveMSG · 08-14-2020, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseG

I don’t mean to imply that the FA20 is a junk engine.

I will.

The FA20 is a junk engine

JesseG · 08-14-2020, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

yep. Let's also remember the S2000 competed with the base Boxster and BMW Z4. How much are those cars now? 50K+ for the Z4, 60k+ for the Cayman.

Good points, and it’s performance and reliability helped to justify the higher price. It would be competing with the Cayman, Supra, and Z4 today.

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JesseG · 08-14-2020, 04:59 PM

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I will.

The FA20 is a junk engine

I think it’s tractor like qualities are charming. And the way the RPMs dip and almost stall at lights! It keeps you on your toes.

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Yoshoobaroo · 08-14-2020, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JesseG

I think it’s tractor like qualities are charming. And the way the RPMs dip and almost stall at lights! It keeps you on your toes.

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I’ll take that any day just for the way it pulls from 5-7k!

Sasquachulator · 08-14-2020, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I’ll take that any day just for the way it pulls from 5-7k!

If it does nothing in 6th between 3k and 5k then the motor is awful!

Lantanafrs2 · 08-14-2020, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseG

I think it’s tractor like qualities are charming. And the way the RPMs dip and almost stall at lights! It keeps you on your toes.

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Especially with the ac on

Lantanafrs2 · 08-14-2020, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

If it does nothing in 6th between 3k and 5k then the motor is awful!

Not awful, just a little ridiculous

nikitopo · 08-14-2020, 05:34 PM

Yoshoobaroo · 08-14-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

If it does nothing in 6th between 3k and 5k then the motor is awful!

It wasn’t designed to do anything between 3-5k besides cruise.

JesseG · 08-15-2020, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I’ll take that any day just for the way it pulls from 5-7k!

The FA20 does really pull hard in that range, it feels like a different engine. And my FR-S puts a smile on my face every time I drive. Despite some of its faults, it really is a fun motor. And it has some nifty technology packaged into it. I hate to sound like Toyota and Subaru just wrote off the engine, I know thought and effort went into it. I still feel like they had to hold some things back to meet a price point. Like all things in life I guess.

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gg1978 · 08-15-2020, 04:29 AM

It would have been interesting to see if Yamaha could have whipped up a variable tuned intake for the FA20, although it would have complicated things, hence probably why they didn't do it. The trade off is the 15% you're down on torque from 3500 to 4500, otherwise the FA20 has an exceptionally flat 150lb/foot across the bulk of it's usable revband.. Quite impressive if you ask me...

It's not like an Ecotec LNF/LTG where the torque curve being so flat is as fake as Trump's tan, to prevent grenading transmissions, etc.. :P If the ECU wasn't limiting torque things would be much different for those engines.

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JesseG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Drives: 2016 Scion FR-S Location: Dallas Posts: 806 Thanks: 2,685 Thanked 393 Times in 266 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes the S2000 cost more, I don’t think it would be priced at $50k plus today. I know you meant with inflation it would cost that much based on the original MSRP. It’s also a convertible which adds complexity and cost. I would agree it was in a class above the twins. If Toyota/Subaru built the twins to a higher price point, they would be able to compete with the S2000. It also makes you realize what a good sports car the S2000 was/is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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JesseG Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Drives: 2016 Scion FR-S Location: Dallas Posts: 806 Thanks: 2,685 Thanked 393 Times in 266 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Actually I take that back. A modern S2000 would probably cost $50K plus. It would be in the Supra price range I think. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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gg1978 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Drives: 2016 Subaru BRZ Limited Ice Silver Location: Central Indiana Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It would have been interesting to see if Yamaha could have whipped up a variable tuned intake for the FA20, although it would have complicated things, hence probably why they didn't do it. The trade off is the 15% you're down on torque from 3500 to 4500, otherwise the FA20 has an exceptionally flat 150lb/foot across the bulk of it's usable revband.. Quite impressive if you ask me... It's not like an Ecotec LNF/LTG where the torque curve being so flat is as fake as Trump's tan, to prevent grenading transmissions, etc.. :P If the ECU wasn't limiting torque things would be much different for those engines.

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