Toyota GR Yaris

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep.

I'd still buy it as an eventual replacement to my BRZ.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is a hopped up econobox and looks exactly like one. All the aero, fancy wheels and massive grills in the world will not hide it's origin.

Yes, yes.. but so were Scooby, Lancers, Sierra Cossie, E30 M3, Integrale, Civic Type R, Renault sport products... I can go on and on...

[WolfpackS2k]

So were?

Subarus and Hondas still are.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So were?

Subarus and Hondas still are.

Yes, but the rally connection has been sadly eroded.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

Yes, yes.. but so were Scooby, Lancers, Sierra Cossie, E30 M3, Integrale, Civic Type R, Renault sport products... I can go on and on...

And they all look like souped up econoboxes that no element of racecarizing will change the appearance of. Some just hide it better.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And they all look like souped up econoboxes that no element of racecarizing will change the appearance of. Some just hide it better.

Yes, yes but sometimes things like that like look cool.. silk purses from sow's ears.. just amazing what the "racecarizing" engineers can do to make 'em fly. My Integrale is a brick but it just oozes rally car (obviously IMHO)..

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by JD001

Yes, yes but sometimes things like that like look cool.. silk purses from sow's ears.. just amazing what the "racecarizing" engineers can do to make 'em fly. My Integrale is a brick but it just oozes rally car (obviously IMHO)..

idk what it is, but I love watching the WRC Hyundai i20 and Yaris hanging the ass end out. All I can think of is they're so stupidly tiny making such big noises and slides, maybe a Veloster N is in my future after all... I have a track record so far of saying 'this manufacturer is crap' and then buying one of their cars <5 years later (Scion) so it fits the mold.

I'm in love with a fire spitting pocket rocket.

[R_E_L]

It seemed like he was commenting on how light some of the components were like rear door. Also looks like is has a water tank in the rear, along with the battery,to spray into the intercooler, there's carbon composite roof too. I wonder how much of that detail will carry over to the Corolla version? Or how much time and money will go into development and tuning the chassis. Will they just slap the parts on a Corolla and call it a day? It's a shame we couldnt get this very car, you can tell they were pretty serious about it.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

It seemed like he was commenting on how light some of the components were like rear door. Also looks like is has a water tank in the rear, along with the battery,to spray into the intercooler, there's carbon composite roof too. I wonder how much of that detail will carry over to the Corolla version? Or how much time and money will go into development and tuning the chassis. Will they just slap the parts on a Corolla and call it a day? It's a shame we couldnt get this very car, you can tell they were pretty serious about it.

I expect it's going to be slap the i3 into the 'rolla and go, hope you can hit a sweet spot between the Si and Veloster N in terms of price and performance. In which case it'll be a hard sell since the 10th gen Si is pretty good, slap a tune on it and it'll be mighty close to the Toyota i3 on performance in a lighter chassis and the Veloster N is already great bang/buck. And by the time the 'rolla gets here Hyundai could tweak the suspension and drivetrain on the N and make the 'rolla GR4 obsolete before it even arrives. Honda could crank the boost on the Si as well, or detune the type-R engine to also make the 'rolla a moot point.

Toyota knows they're too slow and cumbersome to capture magic in a bottle, they basically took an unoccupied market segment with the 86, that's not going to happen here with the 'rolla, I think this car is a nice gesture but will ultimately be unsuccessful. That being said I wouldn't gamble on which would sell better a Yaris or Rolla GR4, I can see a strong argument for a warmed up Corolla getting more non-enthusiast buyers than a hotted up Yaris and doing better for Toyota in the US.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

idk what it is, but I love watching the WRC Hyundai i20 and Yaris hanging the ass end out. All I can think of is they're so stupidly tiny making such big noises and slides,

So, in the end rally car drivers are rednecks with European accents?

[Guru Woodman]

So the Yaris GR4 will not come stateside, but the hot Corolla variant will have AWD and a manual according to this article....

The Drive Article here

Nice!

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Guru Woodman

So the Yaris GR4 will not come stateside, but the hot Corolla variant will have AWD and a manual according to this article....

The Drive Article here

Nice!

I have high suspicion of the validity behind that. I could believe a Corolla with the Yaris motor, but Toyota has a history of short changing us here so the full bells and whistles, I don't believe. Though if it does come with that, it would put it up against the WRX for sure.

[Guru Woodman]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I have high suspicion of the validity behind that. I could believe a Corolla with the Yaris motor, but Toyota has a history of short changing us here so the full bells and whistles, I don't believe. Though if it does come with that, it would put it up against the WRX for sure.

Me too actually, considering real automotive news is running thin and media is scrambling to publish anything worth clicking on.

But there is hope that the Corolla will have AWD, which would be perfect for me. As much as I love my BRZ, the long winters here makes me miss AWD so it might be a possibility for a future upgrade.

I just have to get over my gripes with the Corolla in general but I do love me a hot hatch.

[mrderp]

From https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/29/...hot-hatch-awd/

By any name, the hatch just got a lot more exciting if Best Car is right in saying the Corolla Sport GRMN will send some of its power to the rear axle, installing the "latest 4WD system that uses an electronically controlled coupling." That sounds like a simpler setup to apportion torque than the 4WD system on the GR Yaris with its locking front and rear differentials.

Smells like a watered down... almost homeopathic offering compared to the Yaris GR.