Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Haha some days, I just don't get why they do stuff the way they do. I get that, I don't see the whole system... but there's nothing wrong w take some advice from someone below and make it into the plan that's more efficient.



Don't wanna go into politic here. But some days I question upstairs at my work place's decisions.

Oh, that mentality has been around for several years in many industries. Several times (especially in marketing and sales divisions of companies) I have seen where upper management would NOT listen to the front line employees and go out and hire a "consultant".

The consulting firm would move in for a few days, talk to a few people and present a recommendation to upper management. Upper management would jump all over it and implement it. Yep, you guessed it, it was the same damn thing that the line management was trying to tell them all along -

[humfrz]

This conversation brings to mind a back in the day story. I was manager of this agricultural research station and had this older 1/2 ton pickup truck that we pulled a two axle trailer with. We would overload the trailer with a tractor and related equipment and drag it all over California to apply experimental field trials.

I told my boss that that rig was unsafe and should be replaced. He agreed and put in a requisition for a new flat bed, tilt bed rig. The director of research wouldn't approve the expenditure.

That next week, I had a field day at the research station. I noticed that the director was over by that POS rig and talking to one of my older field workers. He then walked over and said something to the VP of research. Then he went over to my boss, the department manager, and spoke with him. The department manager walked over to me and instructed me to order an new truck that week and no one was to drive that old rig again.

Sometimes it just works that way, a Mexican field worker with a 4th grade education approved a quite expensive piece of equipment. -

[ls1ac]

It usually takes years to achieve., but when working external thinking in an R+D environment it is amassing. By this I mean that a group of engineers sitting around a table talking out loud in stream of consciousness about ways to work trough a problem with out feeling that they may be criticized or laughed at. One idea on top of someone else's.
The biggest problem we had was NIH. Not invented here. Engineers are by nature very protective of their ideas.

[soundman98]

today, i worked in a glass bottle manufacturing facility. it was LOUD. so loud, hand signals almost didn't work. we were screaming into each others ears inches away, and could just barely piece enough together to make sense of what the other person was saying. despite the ear plugs, my co-worker and i were still screaming to each other in the truck on the way back, just out of habit at that point.

i can't imagine having to work in those conditions every single day. i'm more exhausted than i've been from digging a 70' trench in dry clay...

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

Engineers are by nature very protective of their ideas.

I call bullshit on that generalization. Cowards are, by nature, very protective of themselves. A few cowards are engineers.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Still worth asking just for that top 5% though!

Wow. Hmmm!....

[ichitaka05]

I did all I can for today sending out all the email plus extra work... not expecting I'll be getting replies tomorrow. Cuz lets face it, tomorrow is Friday. I was having hard time getting reply without covid. Current staff reading email & responding? Haha don't think so.

C'est la vie

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

C'est la vie

I don't know why, but my HS French teacher used to say "C'est la guerre."

[p1l0t]

Speaking of email! I finally got my email server being a fully armed and operational battle station! Who needs gmail, go spy on someone else.

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[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No matter what movie they are in:
Mell Gibson will always be Max
Arnold will always be a Model 101
Sigourney Weaver will always be Ripley
Robert Downey Jr will always be Ironman
Patrick Stewart will always be Picard
And so on.


I think the worst time I ever had forgetting an actors "main" character is William Shatner. Any other show or move with him in it is almost unwatchable to me since it is always "that is not what Kirk would do"


Kirk would have been all "Do I fight it or fuck it???"

What's wrong with that logic?

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[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I don't know why, but my HS French teacher used to say "C'est la guerre."

Isn’t that translate to “that’s a war”?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Isn’t that translate to “that’s a war”?

Yeah. That's life.... That's war....


I dunno. Come to think of it, he said a bunch of dumb stuff all in an attempt to keep us engaged.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I call bullshit on that generalization. Cowards are, by nature, very protective of themselves. A few cowards are engineers.

I usually relate resistance to quantifiably better plans to being uncomfortable with change, which I think cowardice is a bit strong for. The reason I relate it that way is that when someone has come up with an idea, they have invested thought into it. It makes logical sense to them and they can see what it looks like. Someone else's idea is something they cannot see, but only get pieces of as explained (sometimes poorly). It's a leap of faith to start down some new train of thought because that's an investment in time.

[ls1ac]

I thought the translation was more: such is love and such is war.