2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[PulsarBeeerz]

2.0 Tuning.

[nikitopo]

It says members only content.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It says members only content.

Oops, forgot about that. Shame as it is Revolution Garage and Auto BOSS 2.0l Supras.

[ZDan]

Still more interested in the 2.0 at 3180 lb. than the 3.0 at 3400. The automatic and lack of high-rpm breathing appear to be issues though. Watching the on-track vids the auto is clearly no PDK. Hopefully tuning can easily/cheaply address engine/trans shortcomings...

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

I wonder what tuning can do on this 4pot. It's been around for a while.

Well if you look at the new M135i (I'm guessing that it's not around stateside?) that's at 305bhp, same as the newer Mini S' that run the B48.

Evolve are well reputed over here:

[gymratter]

https://carbuzz.com/features/2021-to...-which-is-best

There's a clear winner.

The 2021 Toyota GR Supra has two significant upgrades compared to last year's model. First is a new entry-level four-cylinder model called the Supra 2.0, which offers less power and fewer features at a lower price point. Second is a power increase on the Supra 3.0 model, which now produces the name 382 horsepower figure found in its sister car, the BMW Z4 M40i.

Pricing for these two new Supra models is currently under embargo but Toyota gave CarBuzz an early chance to drive both cars in lieu of a first drive event. There are points to love about each Supra but after driving them both back-to-back, we have a clear favorite. Here's why.

Benefits Of The Four-Cylinder
Without checking under the hood, the best way to spot a Supra 2.0 is via its smaller 18-inch wheels (the 3.0 models all wear 19s). These smaller wheels are still wrapped in Michelin Pilot Super Sport rubber and measure 255 in the front and 275 in the rear, which is the same width as you'll get with the 3.0's 19s. With two fewer cylinders and smaller wheels, the Supra 2.0 is obviously lighter than its six-cylinder counterpart. The Supra 2.0 weighs 3,181 pounds, which is 219 pounds less than the 3.0. Less weight over the front results in a slightly more responsive nose, which goes where you point it without fuss.

The Supra 2.0's diet also includes stripping it of the adaptive suspension, active differential, electric seats, and 10-speaker stereo while the brakes are also downsized from a four-piston Brembo to a one-piston floating caliper. This has resulted in a spry handling experience that is docile and manageable at the limit but lacks the excitement of the six-cylinder. We can't comment on pricing just yet but the four-cylinder model also comes at a sizable discount compared to the six-cylinder and will achieve better fuel economy.

Drawbacks Of The Four-Cylinder
While the Supra 2.0 will come at a significant discount compared to the Supra 3.0, there are some concessions you will need to make with it. We thought we would enjoy driving a small sports car with lighter manual seats but in practice, we found it harder to adjust to our perfect seating position in the non-electric chairs.

Our tester included the optional 12-speaker JBL audio system, so we did not get to test the base four-speaker system. But after living with the excellent JBL system, we couldn't imagine stepping down to so few speakers. That JLB audio system will come in handy too because the Supra 2.0's exhaust is nowhere near as enjoyable to listen to like the loud bark from the inline-six. It produces a nice growl, for a turbo-four, as well as some small pops on the overrun, but for a more exciting exhaust note, you need the Supra 3.0.

Benefits Of The Six-Cylinder
For the 2021 model year, Toyota has upped the Supra 3.0's horsepower from 335 to 383 hp with a slight bump in torque to 368 lb-ft. The power increase has officially dropped the estimated 0-60 mph time from 4.1 to 3.9 seconds but we think Toyota is being conservative with that time . This turbocharged six-cylinder engine is much quicker than the four-cylinder, which required 5.0 seconds to hit 60 mph. It will be a bit thirstier and weighs considerably more but on the road, the weight gain isn't noticeable.

Toyota has also attached lightweight aluminum braces to the strut towers, improving the car's rigidity. The dampers, power steering, differential, and stability control have also been re-tuned to work with the uprated engine, so the Supra doesn't become a tail-happy mess. In our estimation, the power increase is a bonified success. As with last year's model, the cracks and pops from the BMW-sourced inline-six stack up well even when measured against V8 engines.

Which One We Would Buy
Unless you just can't afford the price difference (which will be revealed soon), we just can't envision any downsides of buying the six-cylinder Supra. Ever since the Supra debut back in 1978, it has always used an inline-six. Buyers of the four-cylinder car will likely face the same stigma seen by V6 Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger owners. Toyota chose not to bring back the Celica name with the four-cylinder Supra, even though we think it would have fit perfectly and added some heritage to this new model. But unless price and fuel economy rank atop your needs in your next sports car purchase, we recommend saving up for the Supra 3.0.

[gymratter]

https://carbuzz.com/features/2021-to...-which-is-best

2021 Toyota Supra Four-Cylinder Vs. Inline-Six: Which Is Best?

There's a clear winner.

The 2021 Toyota GR Supra has two significant upgrades compared to last year's model. First is a new entry-level four-cylinder model called the Supra 2.0, which offers less power and fewer features at a lower price point. Second is a power increase on the Supra 3.0 model, which now produces the name 382 horsepower figure found in its sister car, the BMW Z4 M40i.

Pricing for these two new Supra models is currently under embargo but Toyota gave CarBuzz an early chance to drive both cars in lieu of a first drive event. There are points to love about each Supra but after driving them both back-to-back, we have a clear favorite. Here's why.

Benefits Of The Four-Cylinder
Without checking under the hood, the best way to spot a Supra 2.0 is via its smaller 18-inch wheels (the 3.0 models all wear 19s). These smaller wheels are still wrapped in Michelin Pilot Super Sport rubber and measure 255 in the front and 275 in the rear, which is the same width as you'll get with the 3.0's 19s. With two fewer cylinders and smaller wheels, the Supra 2.0 is obviously lighter than its six-cylinder counterpart. The Supra 2.0 weighs 3,181 pounds, which is 219 pounds less than the 3.0. Less weight over the front results in a slightly more responsive nose, which goes where you point it without fuss.

The Supra 2.0's diet also includes stripping it of the adaptive suspension, active differential, electric seats, and 10-speaker stereo while the brakes are also downsized from a four-piston Brembo to a one-piston floating caliper. This has resulted in a spry handling experience that is docile and manageable at the limit but lacks the excitement of the six-cylinder. We can't comment on pricing just yet but the four-cylinder model also comes at a sizable discount compared to the six-cylinder and will achieve better fuel economy.

Drawbacks Of The Four-Cylinder
While the Supra 2.0 will come at a significant discount compared to the Supra 3.0, there are some concessions you will need to make with it. We thought we would enjoy driving a small sports car with lighter manual seats but in practice, we found it harder to adjust to our perfect seating position in the non-electric chairs.

Our tester included the optional 12-speaker JBL audio system, so we did not get to test the base four-speaker system. But after living with the excellent JBL system, we couldn't imagine stepping down to so few speakers. That JLB audio system will come in handy too because the Supra 2.0's exhaust is nowhere near as enjoyable to listen to like the loud bark from the inline-six. It produces a nice growl, for a turbo-four, as well as some small pops on the overrun, but for a more exciting exhaust note, you need the Supra 3.0.

Benefits Of The Six-Cylinder
For the 2021 model year, Toyota has upped the Supra 3.0's horsepower from 335 to 383 hp with a slight bump in torque to 368 lb-ft. The power increase has officially dropped the estimated 0-60 mph time from 4.1 to 3.9 seconds but we think Toyota is being conservative with that time . This turbocharged six-cylinder engine is much quicker than the four-cylinder, which required 5.0 seconds to hit 60 mph. It will be a bit thirstier and weighs considerably more but on the road, the weight gain isn't noticeable.

Toyota has also attached lightweight aluminum braces to the strut towers, improving the car's rigidity. The dampers, power steering, differential, and stability control have also been re-tuned to work with the uprated engine, so the Supra doesn't become a tail-happy mess. In our estimation, the power increase is a bonified success. As with last year's model, the cracks and pops from the BMW-sourced inline-six stack up well even when measured against V8 engines.

Which One We Would Buy
Unless you just can't afford the price difference (which will be revealed soon), we just can't envision any downsides of buying the six-cylinder Supra. Ever since the Supra debut back in 1978, it has always used an inline-six. Buyers of the four-cylinder car will likely face the same stigma seen by V6 Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger owners. Toyota chose not to bring back the Celica name with the four-cylinder Supra, even though we think it would have fit perfectly and added some heritage to this new model. But unless price and fuel economy rank atop your needs in your next sports car purchase, we recommend saving up for the Supra 3.0.

[ichitaka05]

Keep in mind, US Supra 2.0 got screwed a lot more. Engine and trans, def they should done better. Not having e-dif and active suspension is all on Toyota US.

[gymratter]

https://www.auto123.com/en/news/toyo...delayed/67028/

Toyota delays the debut of Toyota Supra 4-cylinder version.

Almost a year ago (June 2019), and seemingly in a whole other time and dimension, we were testing for the first time the revived new Toyota Supra. For its big return, the car came equipped with an inline 6-cylinder engine pulled straight from the BMW catalogue. Not surprising, given the model was developed jointly with the Bavarian automaker.

For its first year on the Canadian market, that first edition was limited to 300 units. At the time, it was assumed availability for Canada would be expanded in 2020. But other than increased numbers, would there are also be a wider range of variants offered by Toyota?

The answer to that question came a few months later when Toyota confirmed it was planning an entry-level version with a 4-cylinder engine. That configuration was scheduled to debut in August of this year, but due to the coronavirus outbreak, Toyota says it’s had to revise its plans.

The new version is now set to arrive at dealers late this coming autumn. That of course is not to be taken to the bank, because like in just about every corner of society, the coronavirus will dictate what can happen and when in the automotive industry. Still, there’s reason to hope we’ll see this version appear before the end of 2020.

Taking the name Supra 2.0, the newcomer will feature a 2.0L, turbocharged 4-cylinder engine delivering 225 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. It will join the 6-cylinder variant, for which Toyota has already announced a power gain next year, with output increasing from 335 to 382 hp in 2021. Which is interesting, however we can’t help but recall that during our initial test drive last year, we were under the impression that there were already more than 335 horses under the hood. At BMW, the Z4 close cousin of the Supra already offers 382 hp.

Better late than never, we say…

For Toyota, the addition of a 4-cylinder version one year after launch is designed to help give the model a sales boost, in so far as it makes the Supra accessible to a greater number of potential buyers.

The 2021 Supra’s chassis will also benefit from modifications aimed at improving cornering stability. Ben Haushalter, head of product planning, said the Supra will benefit from lightweight aluminum reinforcements to increase lateral stiffness. Revisions have also been made to the electric power steering, adaptive shock absorbers and active differential.

The future’s looking more promising for the Supra. That is, if consumers are open to the model in its new iterations.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So, is there any positive review of the 4cyl ?

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...formance-0-60/

[gymratter]

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by gymratter

It's the old 2020. On the 2021 Toyota changed suspension tuning completely along the new engine tweaks.

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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by BA9092

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...formance-0-60/

If I were being honest, I just don't think I could be happy with a car that was designed for more power but didn't have it.

It's the primary reason I bought the FRS over a Camaro. Anytime I looked at Camaros in 2012, I couldn't go below the 2SS and REALLY wanted the ZL1. There was no way I would have purchased a 1LS with only 300+HP and a V6 when there were so many other power options available.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If I were being honest, I just don't think I could be happy with a car that was designed for more power but didn't have it.

It's the primary reason I bought the FRS over a Camaro. Anytime I looked at Camaros in 2012, I couldn't go below the 2SS and REALLY wanted the ZL1. There was no way I would have purchased a 1LS with only 300+HP and a V6 when there were so many other power options available.

Agreed.

I was just giving the 2.0 fans out there some hope.