2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So, in the end, until he gets in something that is probably fighting above a base C8 class stock car, the review would be the same? Pretty meaningless then if he can't review it in context, in my opinion.

I was making an assumption that he was implying it couldn't be made better than what it was, particularly since he was talking about it against a tuned car. Guess I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, which apparently wasn't deserved.

Yeah... but again, a lot of older JDM Tuners are like that. Just can't review it in context. Maybe he haven't seen Papadakis' 1000whp Formula D Supra yet.

But when R35 was released, he stated, R35 was crap too. Who knows, he might change his mind lol

[gymratter]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/upd...editions.5172/

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

with 8 piston calipers w ceramic brake & full custom e-suspension Nismo GTR. Of course, stock Supra is slow and doesn't stop or doesn't turn. It's like comparing 86 w 1st gen Geo Metro.

Brakes don't stop cars, the tires do. Sounds like his complaint is 75% about the tires.



The biggest problems I've seen from the Zupra is the suspension, seems like they didn't quite get the springs/dampers right on the longitudinal control and the car is both boat-like in responsiveness and twitchy. Looks like a frustrating package to hustle.

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Brakes don't stop cars, the tires do.

Both are part of the system and one will not work well without the other being up to par.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by shiumai

Both are part of the system and one will not work well without the other being up to par.

Right and the factory brakes on the Zupra are easily far and away more capable than the tires.

If the abs can be engaged consistently over the entire use period it means it's not the clampers failing you, it's the tire.

[WolfpackS2k]

I think the Supra looks much better in person. In photos it looks narrow to me, not sure why. In person, looks wider. Makes the whole design much better.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

*raises hand*
I don't understand this.
I thought electronic "diffs" used the rear brakes. Cars already have rear brakes. How can a mechanical lsd, which has more parts than a conventional diff, be lighter than an electronic diff?

Originally Posted by DM7

Electronic limited slip differentials are computer controlled variable slip differentials. It can theoretically go from completely open to completely locked as needed. It varies the speed difference between the wheels based on sensor data from the car. Compared to conventional limited slip differentials; electronic limited slip differentials have computers, solenoids, hydraulic components and cooling systems.

Brake vectoring systems use the brakes to limit the speed difference between wheels.

Torque vectoring systems can feature one or both systems mentioned above.

Bingo! Well Said.

Captain Snooze, much like anything else, you need to read the fine print. If any vehicle is described as having a brake based electronic LSD, you can interpret that as being crap, and the cheapest possible way to control wheelspin via a differential. It's better than nothing, but not by much. Other advantage is it doesn't add any weight (since it just requires a computer and uses the existing brake hardware).

This is the LSD type most base level VWs have, including the GTI (heck even my 2015 Golf wagon had it). However, the GTI I have now has an active torque vectoring LSD that can overdrive the outside wheel to rotate the vehicle into a turn. These cost a lot more, and unfortunately add weight.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

I completely agree. I would still love a 220hp D4S 2.4L but I really doubt that will happen.

That's so sad...

[mn_ca]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I think the Supra looks much better in person. In photos it looks narrow to me, not sure why. In person, looks wider. Makes the whole design much better.

Didnt like it in photos but in person it was beautiful. Saw the C8 and still still have no regrets!

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Captain Snooze, much like anything else, you need to read the fine print. If any vehicle is described as having a brake based electronic LSD, you can interpret that as being crap,

Mmmm... I'm not sure McLaren would agree with you.

"The new McLaren 720S Spider isn’t exactly wanting for power. Just like the coupe, its 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 is good for 710bhp (or 720PS, hence the car’s name). But here’s something you may not know: all of that power is sent to the rear wheels via an open differential.

It’s the same case with McLaren Automotive’s entire line-up, plus all of its previous vehicles. Yep, even the mighty P1 used an open diff."

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/why...t-wont-change/

[soundman98]

#trade-off's.

for a race track, i can understand how it makes sense. but for the street, the speeds are too low to really benefit from the system the same.

and i also think that a mechanical LSD is more easily used by a lesser skilled driver (like me), where a brake-based system requires a better driver technique to get a net benefit out of them.

[Lantanafrs2]

I wouldn't want more than 250 whp out of a turbo 2litre. Reliability will suffer.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I wouldn't want more than 250 whp out of a turbo 2litre. Reliability will suffer.

That depends on the manufacturer.

The 2.0 TSI EA888 Gen3 engines found in the Audi TTS, S3 and Golf R are rated at 292hp and 280tq with 91 octane and were pretty reliable.

I met a handful of guys when I had my GTI who were running stage 2 (intake, downpipe and intercooler upgrades) and were putting out an average of 400hp/400tq...on the stock turbo with no problems for tens of thousand of miles.

[nashcarr]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I wouldn't want more than 250 whp out of a turbo 2litre. Reliability will suffer.

I had a 2010 Sti purchased brand new and then at 25K miles added Cobb Accessport, a 1 cat Downpipe and full 3" Borla exhaust. Sold it at 90K miles and I NEVER had anything go wrong. NEVER.