Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)

[korhun]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Sorry for trolling the thread, changing the subject; but, I've never understood this. I want to live forever. Who wouldn't?

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Oh wow.. you'll never believe the insider info I heard today!!!!!

The 2nd gen car is goi

NA or Turbo? Any more info you can share? In your opinion, better than the first gen? Do you think it’ll be an evolution of its existing philosophy?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by korhun

Sorry for trolling the thread, changing the subject; but, I've never understood this. I want to live forever. Who wouldn't?

Watch Highlander, they basically explain that if you live forever you are guaranteed see all your loved ones dying and if people find out you're immortal they could shut you out. Basically you can't ever get close to anyone for fear of losing them or them turning against you, it's an immortal life but a lonely one.

[nikitopo]

Hmm ...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Watch Highlander, they basically explain that if you live forever you are guaranteed see all your loved ones dying and if people find out you're immortal they could shut you out. Basically you can't ever get close to anyone for fear of losing them or them turning against you, it's an immortal life but a lonely one.

And if everybody lived for ever it would mean the end of things like family, work, most play and everything else we think of as "normal". Things would all reach a certain point and then just stay there.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Oh wow.. you'll never believe the insider info I heard today!!!!!

The 2nd gen car is goi

It is not Jewish? I think we all presumed that already.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Retirement project?

Let me know of you need a redneck corespondent.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Watch Highlander, they basically explain that if you live forever you are guaranteed see all your loved ones dying and if people find out you're immortal they could shut you out. Basically you can't ever get close to anyone for fear of losing them or them turning against you, it's an immortal life but a lonely one.

Since we're talking about science fiction, Kim Stanley Robinson solved this problem in his books by envisioning that people could be immortal, but our brains have evolved to only hold a normal lifetime worth of memories. So just as details about your younger years fade away to some extent in a normal lifetime, they continue to fade as you go beyond normal, so that you can't remember the people you lost 300 years ago. You would form and lose new friendships and families without the sense of loss.

Then Robinson wrote a book about a guy with hyperthymesia who did remember everything, while everyone around him forgot. He was sad.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And if everybody lived for ever it would mean the end of things like family, work, most play and everything else we think of as "normal". Things would all reach a certain point and then just stay there.

That was Aasimov's approach. He created a planet in the Foundation universe that had mastered extremely long life. They thought that a society that was virtually immortal would build on its own knowledge indefinitely and far surpass other planets. Instead, without death looming 50 or 60 years in the future, there wasn't a whole lot of individual urgency to make any great personal accomplishments. They all felt they had plenty of time for all that later. As a result they were no more technologically advanced than anyone else, just more arrogant.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Since we're talking about science fiction, Kim Stanley Robinson solved this problem in his books by envisioning that people could be immortal, but our brains have evolved to only hold a normal lifetime worth of memories. So just as details about your younger years fade away to some extent in a normal lifetime, they continue to fade as you go beyond normal, so that you can't remember the people you lost 300 years ago. You would form and lose new friendships and families without the sense of loss.

Then Robinson wrote a book about a guy with hyperthymesia who did remember everything, while everyone around him forgot. He was sad.



That was Aasimov's approach. He created a planet in the Foundation universe that had mastered extremely long life. They thought that a society that was virtually immortal would build on its own knowledge indefinitely and far surpass other planets. Instead, without death looming 50 or 60 years in the future, there wasn't a whole lot of individual urgency to make any great personal accomplishments. They all felt they had plenty of time for all that later. As a result they were no more technologically advanced than anyone else, just more arrogant.

Yes. It was the Foundation universe scenario that formed my comment. It is most certainly the most likely outcome.


What was the Robinson book you referenced? Don't think I have read that one.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What was the Robinson book you referenced? Don't think I have read that one.

Several years before he wrote the main three novels (Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars) he wrote a short story or novella called "Green Mars" that was set in the same universe. It's been many years since I read it, but I recall the story was about the main character climbing Olympus Mons with people he knew from earlier in his life, but who couldn't remember him. Seems like one of them was even a former lover.

He came back to the memory issue later in the primary novels, but a character with hyperthymesia puts it into greater relief than he ever approached later on.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by korhun

Sorry for trolling the thread, changing the subject; but, I've never understood this. I want to live forever. Who wouldn't?

I don't mind outliving people, as I lost close friends at a younger age than I should have so I'm almost used to it. But I would be afraid of being like stuck in a volcano or something.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Several years before he wrote the main three novels (Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars) he wrote a short story or novella called "Green Mars" that was set in the same universe. It's been many years since I read it, but I recall the story was about the main character climbing Olympus Mons with people he knew from earlier in his life, but who couldn't remember him. Seems like one of them was even a former lover.

He came back to the memory issue later in the primary novels, but a character with hyperthymesia puts it into greater relief than he ever approached later on.

Will have to see if I can dig it up someplace. I have read the others but didn't know that existed. The change in perspective to the main theme that it would create would be interesting. Thanks.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I don't mind outliving people, as I lost close friends at a younger age than I should have so I'm almost used to it. But I would be afraid of being like stuck in a volcano or something.

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The difference would be KNOWING ahead of time that you are going to lose EVERBODY and EVERYTHING you know while you just carry on.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The difference would be KNOWING ahead of time that you are going to lose EVERBODY and EVERYTHING you know while you just carry on.

That's life in a nutshell.

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