2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by soundman98

wha? the LFA was more of a "hey, look what we can do when we actually care!"

it doesn't represent the ethos of toyota. it represents what toyota could be if toyota wasn't so scared all the time to be anything but toyota.

It isn't a matter of "caring" and is not that they are "scared".
It is a matter of the LFA being a Supercar that was a short term project and was never intended for mass market or even limited sales. It was just an exercise in tech that resulted in a handful of actual cars. To even hint that it could ever have reached any form of mass production is very naïve and it has no place in the comparisons being made in this thread. Toyota is not now nor was when they built the LFA a Supercar manufacturer.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Fair point. I wonder when they'll come out with the next GT-R and Z iterations already.

Ultimately though, I wonder if Toyota would have sold more units if they actually built the majority of the Supra themselves. Even if it were priced higher, I'm sure Toyota would have had more success in the long run.

New GTR and Z - Never
Here we go again with the whole "sell more units " crap. They will sell just fine. Toyota isn't looking for Corolla sales numbers out of them.

Originally Posted by soundman98

I wonder if nissan will still exist in 5 years

I'm definitely disappointed in the compromises made by farming out the platform work to bmw. I understand why, but i don't consider bmw to have any spectacular handling characteristics in most of their cars at any point in history.

which makes it feel like toyota picked bmw because another brand didn't want to go to prom with them. And it's hard to like a step child of an also-ran arrangement

Nissan won't last two more years at it's current rate. They are bleeding money faster than they can ever recover it.


I disagree. I think that BMW was their first and probably only choice for the Supra platform. It really is a better fit than people give credit for.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

New GTR and Z - Never
Here we go again with the whole "sell more units " crap. They will sell just fine. Toyota isn't looking for Corolla sales numbers out of them.

Oh I'm sure it will sell, and I never said that they would sell at Corolla levels. It's only something I wonder given the fair amount of people who've expressed their issues with the Supra not being a Toyota.

Expecting abraxis to yell at me about how I'm wrong again any second now...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Oh I'm sure it will sell, and I never said that they would sell at Corolla levels. It's only something I wonder given the fair amount of people who've expressed their issues with the Supra not being a Toyota.

Expecting abraxis to yell at me about how I'm wrong again any second now...

The whole "they can sell more units" thing is one of my hot buttons. There are cars they want to sell piles of so they make piles of them. That is where all their money comes from.
There are cars that they only want to sell a few of so they only make a few. These ones don't make them cash but have value to the company in that they entice people to buy the ones they make piles of.


They would have accounted for the ones that won't buy because of the BMW thing. They are not nearly as stupid as people think.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The whole "they can sell more units" thing is one of my hot buttons. There are cars they want to sell piles of so they make piles of them. That is where all their money comes from.
There are cars that they only want to sell a few of so they only make a few. These ones don't make them cash but have value to the company in that they entice people to buy the ones they make piles of.


They would have accounted for the ones that won't buy because of the BMW thing. They are not nearly as stupid as people think.

Pffft the internet mob is smarter than all manufacturers of any product.
clearly we know better than the people who make the products......

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Pffft the internet mob is smarter than all manufacturers of any product.
clearly we know better than the people who make the products......

Well I do! The rest are drooling imbeciles.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't a matter of "caring" and is not that they are "scared".
It is a matter of the LFA being a Supercar that was a short term project and was never intended for mass market or even limited sales. It was just an exercise in tech that resulted in a handful of actual cars. To even hint that it could ever have reached any form of mass production is very naïve and it has no place in the comparisons being made in this thread. Toyota is not now nor was when they built the LFA a Supercar manufacturer.

I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by abraxis

I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.

Agree that the LFA WAS a flagship car.
LOL strongly at your earlier statement that anybody wanting a Toyota Supra should buy one and put the badge on it. The two cars do not belong in the same discussion even to try and make a point.

[nashcarr]

I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Pffft the internet mob is smarter than all manufacturers of any product.
clearly we know better than the people who make the products......

it would help if the oem's would be a little more transparent with the reasons for their decisions.

i think we can all agree leaving me to my own reasoning leaves a lot to be desired.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by abraxis

I'm not sure when the topic of sales targets was introduced. I seem to recall the topic was Toyota 'FLAGSHIPS'. Flagship meaning pinnacle, the very term used to describe the LFA cuz it is/was the Toyota flagship product from the company.

Kind of proves my point when certain other people try to debate by even arguing with themselves and inverting the meaning and contexts of their own words. Carry on.

The LFA was a flagship for the LEXUS brand, by the way. It may have been Toyota's best car regardless of brand, but it was built as a Lexus and has no place being compared to with regards to Toyota brand flagships.

The desire for a majority Toyota-built Supra stands regardless of whatever you believe is the flagship product, as its name holds weight to many people. I'm sure people would complain about a new Toyota MR2 being a rebadged Porsche Boxster.

Ultimately neither you nor I will ever know if Toyota could build a Supra by themselves without resorting to contracting another company to build it for them for 50-60K. It's rather idiotic to assume you know better than a car company about pricing (as evidenced by your C8 bashing) and I'm ashamed to have even entertained your asinine arguments to begin with.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by nashcarr

I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.

We'll see. There's a lot of concern that it will be nothing like the current gen. Whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen.

[mn_ca]

Originally Posted by nashcarr

I am liking the Supra, a lot. I just can't get past the automatic. I also just bought a 2020 86, which I really like (it's green too!). I wonder what the next 86 will bring? I don't think it will be near 250 hp bc of the 4 banger Supra at 255hp. Time will tell.

I was one of those guys but I am loving what it's got. I guess when you're older and you start to have knee, gout, and other lower body issues, it's fine. I dont plan on tracking my supra so I'll never know itd full potential but, man, I'm in love. We all just need to appreciate the car for what it is.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by soundman98

it would help if the oem's would be a little more transparent with the reasons for their decisions.

i think we can all agree leaving me to my own reasoning leaves a lot to be desired.

Why would they be more transparent? They do not owe explanations to anybody. They employ thousands of professionals to analyze the markets and determine what the majority want and what they will or will not build. Unlike the internet experts opinion that the companies are all just dumb and there is one guy in a dark room making decisions there is a rather complex science to it. A vocal minority is still a minority no matter how much they scream "BUT I WANT..."