2022 Toyota 86 (Click-bait articles)

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Thanks! It was a last min thing, but Tada-san offer me a time to interview. I had to go, so flew out!

I just had to go over there to read it. When I saw that Tada-san is not going to be part of the second gen twin, . That is not a good sign.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I just had to go over there to read it. When I saw that Tada-san is not going to be part of the second gen twin, . That is not a good sign.

Not only Tada-san isn't involved, ALL the engineers who worked on first 86 are not involved.

Also to add the sad news... it's not good for Supra either. He won't be involved after 2021 or so (tentative). After that, Fukumoto-san gonna be doing the updates for the Supra. Now, don't get me wrong, Fukumoto-san is a great guy and have accomplished a lot of stuff inside GR... but he is like Tada-san? Nah, he's not.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Not only Tada-san isn't involved, ALL the engineers who worked on first 86 are not involved.

Also to add the sad news... it's not good for Supra either. He won't be involved after 2021 or so (tentative). After that, Fukumoto-san gonna be doing the updates for the Supra. Now, don't get me wrong, Fukumoto-san is a great guy and have accomplished a lot of stuff inside GR... but he is like Tada-san? Nah, he's not.

Wow, the whole reason he was in charge of those projects from what I understood, was because he is Tada-san. I remember an article talking about how Toyota brass wasn't keen on his view of the twins. He built the test mule anyway and people test drove and loved it. Wasn't he also the one that convinced Toyota brass they needed to put the D4-S system on the car even though that meant basically showing Subaru their tech?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Not only Tada-san isn't involved, ALL the engineers who worked on first 86 are not involved.

That seems bizarre. Engineering projects typically carry a ton of tribal knowledge (undocumented), and that's why it's vital to keep some key people on through different generations of a project.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Wow, the whole reason he was in charge of those projects from what I understood, was because he is Tada-san. I remember an article talking about how Toyota brass wasn't keen on his view of the twins. He built the test mule anyway and people test drove and loved it. Wasn't he also the one that convinced Toyota brass they needed to put the D4-S system on the car even though that meant basically showing Subaru their tech?

The vision of the car was around a while before he was assigned to it. The whole idea was from levels much higher than him. He was just the guy picked to lead the team. Apparently from the Toyota write up he didn't even know he was going to be assigned.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That seems bizarre. Engineering projects typically carry a ton of tribal knowledge (undocumented), and that's why it's vital to keep some key people on through different generations of a project.

I know this is blasphemy to some but Tada as an individual could be replaced and still have very good results. He is the head of a team not the sole designer.
Not so sure it works out well when the whole team is replaced though!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Wow, the whole reason he was in charge of those projects from what I understood, was because he is Tada-san. I remember an article talking about how Toyota brass wasn't keen on his view of the twins. He built the test mule anyway and people test drove and loved it. Wasn't he also the one that convinced Toyota brass they needed to put the D4-S system on the car even though that meant basically showing Subaru their tech?

Yeah, it’s not only D4-S, but a lot of skills and knowledge. He help build better boxer engine... both Toyota & Subaru were stubborn & not willing to help each other. This is why 86 was delay few times. Him & his team have been mocked & laughed at. Some teammate couldn’t take it & some quit midway before see the fruit of their work.

Now, Toyota is trying to cut off those PR ppl & let Tomoyama as main PR person. So after Tada-san is gone, we won’t find out who did what anymore.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That seems bizarre. Engineering projects typically carry a ton of tribal knowledge (undocumented), and that's why it's vital to keep some key people on through different generations of a project.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know this is blasphemy to some but Tada as an individual could be replaced and still have very good results. He is the head of a team not the sole designer.
Not so sure it works out well when the whole team is replaced though!

Like Tcoat have stated, he didn’t make 86 by himself. He had a team of people worked on this car... & like you & Tcoat said, they usually keep few staffs around for next gen, but 86 was very successful car no one expected, so all the higher up wanting honey from it, so they replaced all of em. Cuz all who were there are new or old (almost ready to retire), so they don’t have any power or say other than Tada-san. Tada-san himself actually retired from Toyota & technically isn’t Toyota staff anymore. He just contracted from Toyota.

This is why, I said I’m glad I own one already

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

This is why, I said I’m glad I own one already

I’m curious if reassigning an engineering team has something to do with a change in direction for the platform. Perhaps they want to move to a electric/hybrid system. This could make sense since Toyota is trying to rebrand hybrids as performance cars and since Toyota and Subaru have teamed up for an electric global architecture.

[NoHaveMSG]

Re-badged Crosstrek ???

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m curious if reassigning an engineering team has something to do with a change in direction for the platform. Perhaps they want to move to a electric/hybrid system. This could make sense since Toyota is trying to rebrand hybrids as performance cars and since Toyota and Subaru have teamed up for an electric global architecture.

People laughed at me every time I suggested this may be the way they were headed.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Hell, Tada himself pitched the idea of a faster hybrid version to be more likely than a turbo when the 2012 was launched.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

People laughed at me every time I suggested this may be the way they were headed.

I think I got the same comments, but ever since Toyota announced the hybrid Rav4 as the top performance trim and why that concept was their new direction for marketing hybrids, I figured a hybrid powertrain could be in the works soon than later.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The vision of the car was around a while before he was assigned to it. The whole idea was from levels much higher than him. He was just the guy picked to lead the team. Apparently from the Toyota write up he didn't even know he was going to be assigned.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

I seem to recall the last project Tada san worked on was the Sienna. And before that the Camry? As far as i remember, he didnt actually work on any sports cars until the 86....