2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed! - Page 143 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

NoHaveMSG · 02-13-2020, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Would I be pissed if I bought the initial production and this came a year later? Sure you bet I would.
Would I run around screaming "unfair" and demanding compensation? No since I bought the car early knowing there could be changes within the first year or two. There are ALWAYS changes in the first few years of any new model.

Will be fun to see how many times the words "entitled", "deserve" and "owe" come up in the petition comments.

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't be happy about it either. Coming from the motorcycle world I am used to drastic year to year updates

Dadhawk · 02-13-2020, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL
[I]Can we kiss all the "MR is being released next because Toyota said they would have three sports car choices" rumours goodbye now?

If so, that pretty much puts a nail in the coffin of my next car being a Toyota..ish

KR-S · 02-13-2020, 07:51 PM

All things being said and done, I still believe Toyota should offered the Supra with the updated B58 from the start, since BMW had that motor already. It makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that prevented the higher horsepower motor from going into the 2020 Supra.

Though I guess it probably won't matter if BMW introduces a Z4 M hardtop and/or Toyota introduces an M-powered Supra in the years to come. Then we'll see a lot of petitions like these.

Tcoat · 02-13-2020, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't be happy about it either. Coming from the motorcycle world I am used to drastic year to year updates

From the mid 50s to the late 70s it was pretty much the norm for cars to have large increases from one year to the next. It was so normal that people just lived with the idea that the next year may hold bigger and better things and didn't scream "unfair" at the clouds.

Dadhawk · 02-13-2020, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

From the mid 50s to the late 70s it was pretty much the norm for cars to have large increases from one year to the next. It was so normal that people just lived with the idea that the next year may hold bigger and better things and didn't scream "unfair" at the clouds.

The entire concept that it is somehow "unfair" that the manufacturers would improve their product one year to the next is foreign to me. I mean what industry doesn't do "new and improved" from laundry detergent all the way up to skyscraper builders.

I wouldn't buy from a company that didn't improve their product over time.

Kiske · 02-13-2020, 08:17 PM

Indeed it is only unfair if it is done purposely to intentionally sell a poorer product. No different that the woes of buying a car just before the announced refresh.

PulsarBeeerz · 02-13-2020, 08:26 PM

Early adopters always get the short end of the stick. This is not new.

Lantanafrs2 · 02-13-2020, 08:31 PM

I wish they had the same mentality with the 86.

Tcoat · 02-13-2020, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I wish they had the same mentality with the 86.

Well they did make the post 13s so they don't blow engines randomly so we have that going for us.

R_E_L · 02-13-2020, 08:55 PM

I wonder if next year they offer a street version of the GT4 as their ultimate car? I really don't buy the 4 cyl Supra as an upgrade to our car without the manual. Plus, the 400 lb. leap in weight is too far of a jump. It's very much a different type of car.

Lantanafrs2 · 02-13-2020, 09:46 PM

2020 supras may be much more affordable next year

Atmo · 02-13-2020, 10:37 PM

I'm more interested in the suspension tweaks than the power bump.

Looking forward to 2021 road tests of both engine models especially by pros like Randy Pobst who criticized the 2020 for unpredictable reactions at times from the rear.

Atmo · 02-13-2020, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

2020 supras may be much more affordable next year

Especially used at Chevy dealers as pissed Supra early adopters switch to C8's.

funwheeldrive · 02-14-2020, 10:16 AM

The 2021 Supra is another example of why you should never buy a first year model of a brand new platform.

View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one	32	12.12%
I might get one if they offer a MT	100	37.88%
No, not me.	132	50.00%
Voters: 264. You may not vote on this poll

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KR-S Sporadic Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: 2016 Halo FR-S M/T Location: Earth Posts: 3,145 Thanks: 5,221 Thanked 3,552 Times in 1,746 Posts Mentioned: 50 Post(s)	All things being said and done, I still believe Toyota should offered the Supra with the updated B58 from the start, since BMW had that motor already. It makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that prevented the higher horsepower motor from going into the 2020 Supra. Though I guess it probably won't matter if BMW introduces a Z4 M hardtop and/or Toyota introduces an M-powered Supra in the years to come. Then we'll see a lot of petitions like these.

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