2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL
"The 2021 Supra 2.0 offers an intermediate model between the Toyota 86 and the Supra 3.0, giving the customer three distinct Toyota sports car choices."

Can we kiss all the "MR is being released next because Toyota said they would have three sports car choices" rumours goodbye now?

Shame because Toyota could have easily just asked Lotus to build them a new MR2 since Lotus already uses their engines anyway.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

But at least they have the exclusivity of having the first model year A90

Def true. Our sister site, had a lil fun thread of someone posted talking bout making a petition "Toyota MUST offer compensation for current Supra owners"

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Def true. Our sister site, had a lil fun thread of someone posted talking bout making a petition "Toyota MUST offer compensation for current Supra owners"

...i can't breathe........

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

...i can't breathe........

Me too... to bad admin kinda stop the fun earlier than expected. I was hoping for another 2~3 pages before warning flying off.

[Sasquachulator]

This must mean the 2nd gen 86 will not have 250hp. 230hp might be a stretch too......

So im guessing its going to be 200hp again and still be slower than minivans!

[Leonardo]

[Dake]

I'd much rather have the GR Yaris.

3 more horses, 29 less torques, but also 200 lbs lighter. AWD, 6-spd, dual LSD, and room for luggage in the back. But by all means, shuffle some Bimmer metal around; another swing and a miss from Toyota.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Most fans are happy to see they're bumping hp up... but few MY20 Supra owners aren't happy to see 50hp bump. SOL

But are they really adding any horsepower or are they just going to finally report the actual horsepower that the engine makes?

How many publications and internet sites have reported dyno results that show that the Supra makes much more horsepower than the claimed 335? Maybe they just had to report lesser power due to an agreement with BMW for the first year but now are free to tell it like it is. The Supra did beet the M2 Competition in a Motortrend head to head comparison.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Rampage

But are they really adding any horsepower or are they just going to finally report the actual horsepower that the engine makes?

How many publications and internet sites have reported dyno results that show that the Supra makes much more horsepower than the claimed 335? Maybe they just had to report lesser power due to an agreement with BMW for the first year but now are free to tell it like it is. The Supra did beet the M2 Competition in a Motortrend head to head comparison.

"The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1.

The greatly revised engine produces higher torque at higher rpm and retains the eagerness to rev with turbine-like smoothness. Toyota projects that the new engine will reduce the Supra 3.0 model’s 0-60 acceleration time to 3.9 seconds, from 4.1. The 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters carries over for 2021."

Also got updated suspension.


Oh god they started another petition thread

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/...5-compensation

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Rampage

But are they really adding any horsepower or are they just going to finally report the actual horsepower that the engine makes?

No they're putting in the higher spec engine, until proven otherwise assume all bmw engines built after about 2010 or so make claimed engine hp at the wheel under reasonable conditions.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

"The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1.

The greatly revised engine produces higher torque at higher rpm and retains the eagerness to rev with turbine-like smoothness. Toyota projects that the new engine will reduce the Supra 3.0 model’s 0-60 acceleration time to 3.9 seconds, from 4.1. The 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters carries over for 2021."

Also got updated suspension.


Oh god they started another petition thread

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/...5-compensation

So in other words the Z4's version of the B58.


Honestly, I can't blame the 2020 Supra owners asking for compensation; only one model year and already upgrading almost everything on it would certainly piss people off. Why couldn't they have gone with this from the get-go?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

"The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1.

The greatly revised engine produces higher torque at higher rpm and retains the eagerness to rev with turbine-like smoothness. Toyota projects that the new engine will reduce the Supra 3.0 model’s 0-60 acceleration time to 3.9 seconds, from 4.1. The 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters carries over for 2021."

Also got updated suspension.


Oh god they started another petition thread

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/...5-compensation

Would I be pissed if I bought the initial production and this came a year later? Sure you bet I would.
Would I run around screaming "unfair" and demanding compensation? No since I bought the car early knowing there could be changes within the first year or two. There are ALWAYS changes in the first few years of any new model.

Will be fun to see how many times the words "entitled", "deserve" and "owe" come up in the petition comments.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

So in other words the Z4's version of the B58.


Honestly, I can't blame the 2020 Supra owners asking for compensation; only one model year and already upgrading almost everything on it would certainly piss people off. Why couldn't they have gone with this from the get-go?

They didn't because the same group of early adapters were screaming "I want it NOW or not at all".

It would truly suck to be in that spot but we can not expect the car companies to compensate every person that is impacted by a change.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They didn't because the same group of early adapters were screaming "I want it NOW or not at all".

It would truly suck to be in that spot but we can not expect the car companies to compensate every person that is impacted by a change.

If that's the case, we'll just start calling them "Oopra owners."