Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

As he hails Hitler... hippocrit.

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Random curiosity, given Hitler and hypocrisy. What was his excuse for demanding blonde haired/blue eyed perfection when he himself didn't fit that description? And why did all his loyal followers allow it? Google could probably tell me, but I'm lazy.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes, because there is nothing as invigorating as listening to a monotone voice drone on about the seasonal mating habits of the blue bellied sap sucker or some overly excited woman describing how to make cuttlefish jam just like he granny did.

I prefer listening to Limbaugh with a six pack and a gun in my lap. Cheese grater up my ass optional lol

[Clutch Dog]

Originally Posted by Nevermore

Random curiosity, given Hitler and hypocrisy. What was his excuse for demanding blonde haired/blue eyed perfection when he himself didn't fit that description? And why did all his loyal followers allow it? Google could probably tell me, but I'm lazy.

The short answer is that the blue-eyed blonde archetype existed before Hitler. Nazism wasn't a brand new ideology "invented" by Hitler, but rather an amalgamation of thought currents that had existed for a while in Europe, the most important of which (if I'm not missing anything) were German nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism and fascism.

German nationalism was concerned with establishing the idea of Germany as a nation state, home to a clearly defined people with a shared culture and ethnicity. In order to contrast the "German identity" with that of Germany's main rivals (England, Russia and France), German nationalists looked to the Germanic part of their heritage, the part which they shared with Scandinavia and which honestly had been much better preserved there. This is where the idea of the "true German people" as resembling ethnic Scandinavians comes from.

Meanwhile, Western linguists in the 19th century were (re)discovering the Indo-European language group (or as they called it, Aryan), and this led to a hypothetical history of an equally hypothetical Aryan people who colonized Europe coming from the Indian subcontinent. White supremacist writers further developed the idea that Aryans were the original white people, who had remained ethnically pure in Europe, and purest in the North (which brings us back to blonde hair and blue eyes), while the Indo-European speakers outside of Europe were of mixed race and thus less ideal.

Hitler combined these two currents into the racial narrative of Nazism: that Germans were the descendants of the original, blond and blue-eyed Aryan race, superior to every other race, and were duty-bound to strive for racial purity as well as thrive and prosper through the annexation of "living space".

So the answer to the question "why did Hitler choose blue eyes and blond hair as the indicators of the master race?" is that he didn't choose them - the ideas were already there and written by people with much better credentials than some Austrian agitator.

The fact that Hitler himself wasn't particularly ethnically pure doesn't seem to have been an issue as far as official Nazi ideology goes. After all, he was only the guide (Führer) tasked with setting Germany on the way to racial purity.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

The short answer is that the blue-eyed blonde archetype existed before Hitler. Nazism wasn't a brand new ideology "invented" by Hitler, but rather an amalgamation of thought currents that had existed for a while in Europe, the most important of which (if I'm not missing anything) were German nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism and fascism.

German nationalism was concerned with establishing the idea of Germany as a nation state, home to a clearly defined people with a shared culture and ethnicity. In order to contrast the "German identity" with that of Germany's main rivals (England, Russia and France), German nationalists looked to the Germanic part of their heritage, the part which they shared with Scandinavia and which honestly had been much better preserved there. This is where the idea of the "true German people" as resembling ethnic Scandinavians comes from.

Meanwhile, Western linguists in the 19th century were (re)discovering the Indo-European language group (or as they called it, Aryan), and this led to a hypothetical history of an equally hypothetical Aryan people who colonized Europe coming from the Indian subcontinent. White supremacist writers further developed the idea that Aryans were the original white people, who had remained ethnically pure in Europe, and purest in the North (which brings us back to blonde hair and blue eyes), while the Indo-European speakers outside of Europe were of mixed race and thus less ideal.

Hitler combined these two currents into the racial narrative of Nazism: that Germans were the descendants of the original, blond and blue-eyed Aryan race, superior to every other race, and were duty-bound to strive for racial purity as well as thrive and prosper through the annexation of "living space".

So the answer to the question "why did Hitler choose blue eyes and blond hair as the indicators of the master race?" is that he didn't choose them - the ideas were already there and written by people with much better credentials than some Austrian agitator.

The fact that Hitler himself wasn't particularly ethnically pure doesn't seem to have been an issue as far as official Nazi ideology goes. After all, he was only the guide (Führer) tasked with setting Germany on the way to racial purity.

Hate to see the long answer

[Clutch Dog]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Hate to see the long answer

There are literal week long courses about the guy and the summarization of not only his direction of society. But what already existed.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

The short answer is that the blue-eyed blonde archetype existed before Hitler. Nazism wasn't a brand new ideology "invented" by Hitler, but rather an amalgamation of thought currents that had existed for a while in Europe, the most important of which (if I'm not missing anything) were German nationalism, white supremacism, antisemitism and fascism.

German nationalism was concerned with establishing the idea of Germany as a nation state, home to a clearly defined people with a shared culture and ethnicity. In order to contrast the "German identity" with that of Germany's main rivals (England, Russia and France), German nationalists looked to the Germanic part of their heritage, the part which they shared with Scandinavia and which honestly had been much better preserved there. This is where the idea of the "true German people" as resembling ethnic Scandinavians comes from.

Meanwhile, Western linguists in the 19th century were (re)discovering the Indo-European language group (or as they called it, Aryan), and this led to a hypothetical history of an equally hypothetical Aryan people who colonized Europe coming from the Indian subcontinent. White supremacist writers further developed the idea that Aryans were the original white people, who had remained ethnically pure in Europe, and purest in the North (which brings us back to blonde hair and blue eyes), while the Indo-European speakers outside of Europe were of mixed race and thus less ideal.

Hitler combined these two currents into the racial narrative of Nazism: that Germans were the descendants of the original, blond and blue-eyed Aryan race, superior to every other race, and were duty-bound to strive for racial purity as well as thrive and prosper through the annexation of "living space".

So the answer to the question "why did Hitler choose blue eyes and blond hair as the indicators of the master race?" is that he didn't choose them - the ideas were already there and written by people with much better credentials than some Austrian agitator.

The fact that Hitler himself wasn't particularly ethnically pure doesn't seem to have been an issue as far as official Nazi ideology goes. After all, he was only the guide (Führer) tasked with setting Germany on the way to racial purity.

This is way more serious of an answer than I expected. Bravo. And I guess the last bit makes sense. He accepted the responsibility to do it, so everyone fell in line behind him.

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Hate to see the long answer

Haha it probably fills a whole history book chapter, so be glad this is the short answer.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by soundman98

if you don't miss it, a CD is a decent way to go. i mean, nothing's paying much interest right now, but it is 'something'...

Something's better than nothing.


Got some really good news today. I've grown tired of languishing in my current position at work. Finally got the idea to just email the guy who runs the local field group and said "Hey, remember the talk we had in the spring about me moving to your group? Is this still a possibility?" He replied within 10 minutes and said "It sure is, if it's what you want, we'll make it happen. We can discuss logistics over the winter". What a massive relief.

[Lantanafrs2]

Hopefully the next gen arrives before we lose our minds on this forum. Too late?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Hopefully the next gen arrives before we lose our minds on this forum. Too late?

About 5 years too late

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Nevermore

This is way more serious of an answer than I expected. Bravo. And I guess the last bit makes sense. He accepted the responsibility to do it, so everyone fell in line behind him.


Haha it probably fills a whole history book chapter, so be glad this is the short answer.

It fills volumes and volumes of history books not a chapter.
I am not going to go into detail as Dog did but really need to counter your statement that "everyone fell in behind him"
Hitler got into power as the leader of the German Workers Party. It didn't become the Nazi party until later.
As bad as the Great Depression was on the US, Germany was almost obliterated by it.The workers Party promised jobs and restoration of the country as a whole. Even then they took under 40% of the votes in the election so did not have full control. They swindled control through misdirection during an incident and Hitler had full power. By this point the general populations acceptance of them meant nothing and they started replacing leaders of all areas with party members. If you resisted you went to prison or died.
It is estimated that by 1940 the actual Nazi party members totaled about 10% of the population and under 2% of the military. Unfortunately those groups were the ones in control and the population had no choice but to follow along or die. Much of the population had no idea what the whole "master race" thing was all about and didn't care since there were jobs and money was flowing again. The fact that the money was a doomed war economy seems obvious today but at the time people didn't really see it.
All in all the overall population were not Nazis, did not care about the Reich, had no idea that the bulk of the atrocities were happening, didn't want the war even though they fought, and did NOT just "fall into line". They started out following a party that promised them food and a roof and ended up with no food and few roofs!

[Ultramaroon]

There's a whole channel dedicated to him on cable.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It fills volumes and volumes of history books not a chapter.

I am not going to go into detail as Dog did but really need to counter your statement that "everyone fell in behind him"

Hitler got into power as the leader of the German Workers Party. It didn't become the Nazi party until later.

As bad as the Great Depression was on the US, Germany was almost obliterated by it.The workers Party promised jobs and restoration of the country as a whole. Even then they took under 40% of the votes in the election so did not have full control. They swindled control through misdirection during an incident and Hitler had full power. By this point the general populations acceptance of them meant nothing and they started replacing leaders of all areas with party members. If you resisted you went to prison or died.

It is estimated that by 1940 the actual Nazi party members totaled about 10% of the population and under 2% of the military. Unfortunately those groups were the ones in control and the population had no choice but to follow along or die. Much of the population had no idea what the whole "master race" thing was all about and didn't care since there were jobs and money was flowing again. The fact that the money was a doomed war economy seems obvious today but at the time people didn't really see it.

All in all the overall population were not Nazis, did not care about the Reich, had no idea that the bulk of the atrocities were happening, didn't want the war even though they fought, and did NOT just "fall into line". They started out following a party that promised them food and a roof and ended up with no food and few roofs!

That's like real life illuminati.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

There's a whole channel dedicated to him on cable.

Yes in Canada it has the ironic name of "American Heroes Channel"

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes in Canada it has the ironic name of "American Heroes Channel"

Ugh. Sorry, eh.