More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by Riftur

Finally, someone I can actually have a real discussion with. I get a bit annoyed with people who are so close minded that they actually try to convince everyone that HP means absolutely nothing to a sports car. Even though I agree it does not make a sports car alone, it does matter. Porsche is the best example of it. They had lower HP than most sports cars in their price range, but they were able to utilize all of it.

Thanks, I used to argue online but then I thought what's the point. Feels much fuzzier inside when you're able to find at least some common ground. And yes, the 911 is a great example

[Riftur]

Originally Posted by James H

A high HP car is a muscle car because high HP ultimately means more weight and that kills agility. You cannot drive a high HP car with finesse.

This is the most ridiculous statement anyone made in this whole thread. You obviously know little about high performance cars. You basically just stated that all supercars are muscle cars and can not be driven with finesse. Everything in your statement is so wrong, its embarrassing.

[Tokay444]

Supercar=/=sportscar

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Riftur

LOL, so asking for a slight power boost somehow means I shouldn't be driving a RWD sports car? Why is it that asking for a bit more power out of this car is so taboo for some of you people. Yet modding the car for more power is ok?

Asking for more power is not taboo. You mistake our explaining why we feel it won't get more power for us saying it shouldn't. Modding the car for more power is NOT the same as the manufacturer being able to do the same thing. All emissions, mileage and even crash requirements go out the window when you mod your car. The manufacturers do not have the luxury of ignoring these requirements.

Originally Posted by Riftur

I would expect the car would sell for around 35k. Not the 30k for the base.

You will not get considerable or even moderate power increases with only a $3K price hike. Any increase in power will require upgrades to other parts. Again it doesn't matter that people have increased power without doing all the upgrades since the manufacturer can't ignore the need.

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

We do realize the base model Toyota Camry engine does this. The 2.5L makes more torque, over 200 HP, makes it's rated power on 87 octane, weighs less, revs higher (*edit* JK it does not) and I'd bet costs less. I have literally no doubt in my mind they could have made that engine work, but Subaru had to do Subaru things.

Subaru didn't "have to do things" they were specifically requested by Toyota. In fact Toyota pretty much forced them into the project. If you are such and engineering wizard that you have no doubt as to what can be done you should be working for Toyota. Let me guess you are actually in IT someplace though.

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Is a Miata a real sports car? When has hp been the defining factor of a sports car?

By old school standards the Miata is the very definition of a sports car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Riftur

Finally, someone I can actually have a real discussion with. I get a bit annoyed with people who are so close minded that they actually try to convince everyone that HP means absolutely nothing to a sports car. Even though I agree it does not make a sports car alone, it does matter. Porsche is the best example of it. They had lower HP than most sports cars in their price range, but they were able to utilize all of it.

Anybody that disagrees with your ideas is not "real"?
I get annoyed at people that only focus on HP and try to convince everybody that it means everything. It is only one part of a puzzle and not even the most important one really.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by Riftur

This is the most ridiculous statement anyone made in this whole thread. You obviously know little about high performance cars. You basically just stated that all supercars are muscle cars and can not be driven with finesse. Everything in your statement is so wrong, its embarrassing.

I need to figure out how to get rid of some power so my car will be sportier.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by venturaII

I need to figure out how to get rid of some power so my car will be sportier.

Add weight
that should help.

[Goingnowherefast]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Subaru didn't "have to do things" they were specifically requested by Toyota. In fact Toyota pretty much forced them into the project. If you are such and engineering wizard that you have no doubt as to what can be done you should be working for Toyota. Let me guess you are actually in IT someplace though.

Actually an automotive engineer specializing in powertrain Development/Calibration/Also recently PT NVH. But good try though...

[Riftur]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Anybody that disagrees with your ideas is not "real"?
I get annoyed at people that only focus on HP and try to convince everybody that it means everything. It is only one part of a puzzle and not even the most important one really.

If I remember correctly, at no point did I state is was the most important thing for a sports car. In fact, I said it was just one part, along with handling.

[Riftur]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Asking for more power is not taboo. You mistake our explaining why we feel it won't get more power for us saying it shouldn't. Modding the car for more power is NOT the same as the manufacturer being able to do the same thing. All emissions, mileage and even crash requirements go out the window when you mod your car. The manufacturers do not have the luxury of ignoring these requirements.

Actually Tcoat, the person was trying to tell me HP means absolutely nothing to a sports car. I even stated that the reason it wont get it is because of cost not because it would not make a better sports car.

Here is my Quote exactly "Even the people who say the car does not need anymore, realize it does not have more because of cost. Not because it wouldn't make a better sports car.."

[RickyRacer]

so anyone here actually talking about the next gen 86? Are these rumors legit?


I've scrolled through the past 7 pages and all i see is internet bickering back and forth between you primadonnas

[Riftur]

Originally Posted by RickyRacer

so anyone here actually talking about the next gen 86? Are these rumors legit?


I've scrolled through the past 7 pages and all i see is internet bickering back and forth between you primadonnas

No its just bickering.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by RickyRacer

so anyone here actually talking about the next gen 86? Are these rumors legit?


I've scrolled through the past 7 pages and all i see is internet bickering back and forth between you primadonnas

Long threads about one topic is never about that topic.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by RickyRacer

so anyone here actually talking about the next gen 86? Are these rumors legit?


I've scrolled through the past 7 pages and all i see is internet bickering back and forth between you primadonnas

Friend, you gotta wait for the Tokyo motor Show to see if we'll see anything. I myself can't wait for it to happen (26/10/2019) as I feel some of the big names are going to be dropping some big stuff this year... I hope.