2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have yet to see if they will pay that. Still doesn't even give a firm price anyway. Add shipping the car there (if unable to drive it) and the cost can easily go over $15,000. You had better REALLY want that MT!


They used that picture because "We also asked Bartosik which shifter he plans to use for the manual Supra and he said "I really like the one from the GR concept car," in reference to the hybrid Toyota GR HV Sports concept"

Instead of decimating all by putting $15k in overnight parts from Japan, I would consider a manual swap.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have yet to see if they will pay that. Still doesn't even give a firm price anyway. Add shipping the car there (if unable to drive it) and the cost can easily go over $15,000. You had better REALLY want that MT!

Yea, no way in heck I'm paying an additional 25% to get a manual transmission, or any other single feature for that matter. If it was coming from the manufacturer at that price, I don't think anyone (OK maybe enough to count on one hand) would pay it no matter how diehard a MT fan you are.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Instead of decimating all by putting $15k in overnight parts from Japan, I would consider a manual swap.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea, no way in heck I'm paying an additional 25% to get a manual transmission, or any other single feature for that matter. If it was coming from the manufacturer at that price, I don't think anyone (OK maybe enough to count on one hand) would pay it no matter how diehard a MT fan you are.

Yeah but would you pay $7500, $5000, $2500? I think I would consider $5000 without blinking an eye. $7500 and I would have to think about it. $10-12 would be my limit, but if included a tune and some other perks then maybe.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea, no way in heck I'm paying an additional 25% to get a manual transmission, or any other single feature for that matter. If it was coming from the manufacturer at that price, I don't think anyone (OK maybe enough to count on one hand) would pay it no matter how diehard a MT fan you are.

Depends what gets added to the car along side the one off MT.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Depends what gets added to the car along side the one off MT.

That's a different discussion...

[gymratter]

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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Yeah but would you pay $7500, $5000, $2500? I think I would consider $5000 without blinking an eye. $7500 and I would have to think about it. $10-12 would be my limit, but if included a tune and some other perks then maybe.

My limit would be about the amount that an AT costs, so a few hundred dollars, no more than $1,000.

An interesting side note, right now on the Toyota site if you configure a base 86 with a manual transmission it costs $27,445. If you price it as an AT it is $27,375. This is the Southeast Toyota region, and I'm guessing that is an end of model year discount for the AT.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's a different discussion...

Imagine: Viper ACR, Porsche GT3/2 RS, Jaguar Project 7, etc.. levels of additions to the Supra with an MT thrown in..


Supra GRMN-GT3R-R-Nordschleife.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

My limit would be about the amount that an AT costs, so a few hundred dollars, no more than $1,000.

An interesting side note, right now on the Toyota site if you configure a base 86 with a manual transmission it costs $27,445. If you price it as an AT it is $27,375. This is the Southeast Toyota region, and I'm guessing that is an end of model year discount for the AT.

I don't know how it works in the states, but here in the great land of the North, every single Automotive Manufacturers AT is more expensive by at least $1000~~

29,990 MT vs 31,190 AT

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/toyota-86

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

I don't know how it works in the states, but here in the great land of the North, every single Automotive Manufacturers AT is more expensive by at least $1000~~

29,990 MT vs 31,190 AT

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/toyota-86

That was about how it is here. Like I said, I suspect its a end of model year discount. In case it was something with Southeast Toyota (there are two Toyota distributors in the US) I tried a New York zip code and got the same result. On the GT model you can only get an AT right now in the configurator.

https://www.toyota.com/configurator/.../86/model/6253

[strat61caster]

Came here to post the B58 teardown, of course it's already been posted

Originally Posted by ayau

I really doubt the factory exhaust is limiting its power.

Best bang per dollar will be E85. Im curious if it will have fueling issues when running higher ethanol content.

It actually does, BMW is fucked up, choking the exhaust is one of the ways they de-tune their common powerplants for the cheaper cars. You can look at some of the aftermarket exhausts by companies like Dinan where they actually do advertise power gains. I know part of the gains by doing a 'Mini JCW tuning package' on a non-JCW Mini come from the exhaust which is choked down post-cat. But you can just joe-shmo straight pipe post-cat it for similar gains for much less money and way more whooshy-obnoxious popping noises.

https://www.dinancars.com/product/d6...340i-f32-440i/


But most of the tarbo BMW's sound like farts, seems like the one thing Toyota did right on the Mk5 was tuning the exhaust to sound decent.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

My limit would be about the amount that an AT costs, so a few hundred dollars, no more than $1,000.

An interesting side note, right now on the Toyota site if you configure a base 86 with a manual transmission it costs $27,445. If you price it as an AT it is $27,375. This is the Southeast Toyota region, and I'm guessing that is an end of model year discount for the AT.

Like you mentioned, autos were usually a significant premium in the past, and they still can be like the $3250 premium for the PDK in the Porsche, but in general, the autos are the same, or are a few hundred more or a few hundred less.

The manual will change so much of the car that I would definitely pay $5k, and if it was part of a sports package that included a few other things, then more, especially if the MT was a beast like the V160.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I'm curious to see where this build goes. How will they build the motor? Will they make a custom intake manifold, losing the water to air intercooler for a large FMIC? Will they port the head for a big turbo application? Will they modify the bottom end, or will this just be a piston/rods build?

The 2JZ was square (86x86). The B58 is under square (82x94). I know the redline is 7k in the B58 and less in the 2JZ, but the bottom of the 2JZ could handle much more when the head was built, so I wonder if there are plans to square off the engine to gain some rpms (assuming that could improve the top end by reducing piston speeds). The 2JZ has siamese bores. I can't tell if the B58 is also siamese. I don't know how much room there is for increasing bore. I'm curious if the smaller bore means the engine length is slightly shorter than the 2JZ. I like that they have an engine girdle too like the guy said to strengthen the block while reducing oil aeration and windage/drag on the crankshaft.

There doesn't seem to be that much space between the cylinders to square off the bore. If I recall, the MK4 can be bored to around 87 or 88mm. Lets say you can bore the B58 by 2mm.... still far off. Would the de-stroke it just to have a higher RPM ?

This video is great btw I watched the whole thing. Loved the 2JZ teardown and rebuild and the hatch build too.