2/3 of 86 are auto?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Oh god. Let's not ever think you could call a car semi-auto, at least not right now.

This is implying the car can never drive like a true auto, like a gun, a semi-auto gun when the trigger is held, no longer launches bullets beyond the single bullet from that trigger pull. Much like a trigger, the throttle when depressed and when the engine reaches the top of the RPM band will not shift. You could only ever call it semi-auto if the car would never let you drive as auto, but that's not a thing as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong.

Semi auto isn't that far off a term. Many weapons ( they are not "guns") include settings for automatic or semi. When set to auto they are auto when set to semi they are semi.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Semi auto isn't that far off a term. Many weapons ( they are not "guns") include settings for automatic or semi. When set to auto they are auto when set to semi they are semi.

I suppose.

I still don't like it, and it sounds stupid.

[bcj]

Washington declared ALL semi-autos as assault transmissions last election.

I disagree with their definition though.

[Johnny Horsepower]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Oh god. Let's not ever think you could call a car semi-auto, at least not right now.

This is implying the car can never drive like a true auto, like a gun, a semi-auto gun when the trigger is held, no longer launches bullets beyond the single bullet from that trigger pull. Much like a trigger, the throttle when depressed and when the engine reaches the top of the RPM band will not shift. You could only ever call it semi-auto if the car would never let you drive as auto, but that's not a thing as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong.

That's certainly true in a sense. But what I mean by "semi-auto" is that some but not all of the necessary steps need to be performed by the operator.

For guns, semi-auto means that certain actions, such as ejecting the casing and chambering the next round, are performed automatically. What keeps it from being fully automatic is that you have to pull the trigger once per round. Which is a very small detail to me, I mean why not just legalize automatic weapons, oh god here goes this thread.

For cars, manual means you have to make the shifts yourself, auto means the car does it for you. But semi-auto (not an official term, just what I'm calling it) means that you tell it when to shift but don't have to make the shifts yourself. To me, the fact that the driver determines the shift points is far more important than torque converter vs DCT.

But then that distinction is further blurred in cars with paddle shifters not as good as ours. I've heard that the Miata takes paddle pulls as suggestions to be taken into consideration, rather than commands to shift now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Johnny Horsepower

That's certainly true in a sense. But what I mean by "semi-auto" is that some but not all of the necessary steps need to be performed by the operator.

For guns, semi-auto means that certain actions, such as ejecting the casing and chambering the next round, are performed automatically. What keeps it from being fully automatic is that you have to pull the trigger once per round. Which is a very small detail to me, I mean why not just legalize automatic weapons, oh god here goes this thread.

For cars, manual means you have to make the shifts yourself, auto means the car does it for you. But semi-auto (not an official term, just what I'm calling it) means that you tell it when to shift but don't have to make the shifts yourself. To me, the fact that the driver determines the shift points is far more important than torque converter vs DCT.

But then that distinction is further blurred in cars with paddle shifters not as good as ours. I've heard that the Miata takes paddle pulls as suggestions to be taken into consideration, rather than commands to shift now.

Semi auto most certainly is an official term for trannys!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-a...c_transmission

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Semi auto most certainly is an official term for trannys!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-a...c_transmission

Still don't like it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Still don't like it.

Well it probably isn't too fond of you either.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

You left off what is probably the primary reason for MT vs AT selection in the past.... Cost and Availability. I can tell you that every car purchased by my parents and grandparents were purchased with low cost in mind. They would only pay for an AT if it was the only transmission available on the car, or they were buying used and buying the first car in their price range.



Many vehicles did not have available auto transmissions at one point as well.



More Fun and Faster Shifts would have only been for enthusiasts, it would never enter the "general buying public's" thought process.



Fuel economy is valid.

Forgot about the cost part. I’ve never considered the cost a factor so I forgot that one. I learned on a MT and was autoxing with my dad before I even owned my first car so naturally I wasn’t even considering an AT on my first purchase. Fuel economy and shift time wasn’t even a factor for me personally. I didn’t own an auto until my family out grew a sedan and we needed a full size SUV.

[new2subaru]

Ease of maintenance and cost of repair was a big reason to get a standard transmission. Auto's were still a little "voodoo" for the backyard mechanic.


None of my first 10 cars saw a garage. It wasn't even considered an option or thought about. You broke it, you fixed it.

I don't even think about if a car is manual or auto anymore. I jump in look around and go. It makes zero difference to me.

I really like the AT FR-S and I know it not as involving as my MT car, but I like paddle shifting the AT.

[Ultramaroon]

I write all my code in assembly because I need that control.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. I still call it standard all the time. It takes and actual conscious act for me not to write it here just to have a bunch of youngin's go "Huh?"

Yep, same here -


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Still don't like it.

If you don't like that, you would have hated the old "fluid drive" -


humfrz

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I write all my code in assembly because I need that control.

Pfft… if you really want control, you would be coding directly in binary, no compilers required.

[Tcoat]

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