My BRZ went like on BaT today - Wish me luck!

[ocbrz66]

Originally Posted by bcj

See a lot of "BID TO" finishes that must have astronomical reserves.

Or more than I'd be comfortable paying.

Maybe things have changed as of late. I can only speak to my experience but they were very mindful of setting a reasonable reserve with me. Admittedly I didn't push back very hard.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

Do you think rental car companies register all their cars in the state which they are operated? Or do they maintain proper insurance and registration in the state where their llc is based?

Since I rent cars on a monthly and sometimes weekly basis, I can say with 100% certainty that the cars are registered in the states where they are primarily operated or were first put into service, not where their headquarters is located nor where their corporate registration is based. If you rent a car for local return, 90% of the time it will be tagged in the state where you rent it.

You are more likely to get a car registered out-of-state if you're returning it somewhere else, since the local offices seem to want to get cars that are not part of their regular inventory out of their garages. But even then, they're not registered in the state where the company is located, but wherever they were first put into service.

I recently had an Enterprise rental in Texas that was tagged in Oregon and a Hertz rental in Oklahoma that was registered in New Mexico. I get a few more out-of-state local rentals in Florida, especially in the fall when the snowbirds rent cars to drive down from up north. I've had NY, NJ, PA, OH and even a Vermont tag that I can remember.

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

Ask yourself why are nearly all major companies registered in Delaware? States rights.

They register in Delaware because of the business-friendly court system and well-developed statutes for resolution of disputes, which has nothing to do with your car tax scheme.

What I think you're trying to argue is that since it's okay to register a corporation in Delaware, it's also okay to register your car in Montana and avoid sales tax, registration fees and environmental regulations in your actual state of residence. But that analogy doesn't hold because Delaware corporations pay sales tax and corporate income tax in the states where they do business and earn income, and they're required to comply with local environmental regulations. What you're doing is more analogous to a Delaware corporation operating in California but pretending it doesn't, then polluting and refusing to pay sales and income tax. That would be illegal.

So you're zero for two in analogies. Want to try for a third?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I get a few more out-of-state local rentals in Florida, especially in the fall when the snowbirds rent cars to drive down from up north.

Every spring our rental lots fill up with cars plated for Florida and Arizona. Every fall they empty out again as those are the ones that they rent out first for the return trips.


Funny you brought that up since just yesterday, when driving down the highway, my wife mentioned it is officially spring since the Florida cars were all over the place.

[MJones_RB]

Those Crawford kits are expensive but the dyno speaks for itself. Any issues with reliability? I heard they can be a bit... temperamental.

[ocbrz66]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

What I think you're trying to argue is that since it's okay to register a corporation in Delaware, it's also okay to register your car in Montana and avoid sales tax, registration fees and environmental regulations in your actual state of residence.

So you're zero for two in analogies. Want to try for a third?

Sure, google "uhaul arizona plates" .

I never knew people were so passionate about paying DMV fees.

I think there is a misconception that I own the car. I do not. A LLC formed in Montana owns the car, they allow me to drive the car. My name is not on the title or the registration. The LLC is a resident of Montana and pays all applicable taxes and fees.

When talking about Montana LLCs you have to decide whether you want to talk about the legality or the morality. Legally, this is bullet proof. It's been tested in court before. ( https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...c0bf7e398.html ).


As for the moral question, I have a personal policy against debating morality online.

[ocbrz66]

Originally Posted by MJones_RB

Those Crawford kits are expensive but the dyno speaks for itself. Any issues with reliability? I heard they can be a bit... temperamental.

None at all once I got a transmission that could hold the power. Its running a very small turbo on waste gate pressure so its not pushed to its limit. I understand that Quirt ran a bigger turbo on his and pushed to 600HP or so before he sold it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

None at all once I got a transmission that could hold the power. Its running a very small turbo on waste gate pressure so its not pushed to its limit. I understand that Quirt ran a bigger turbo on his and pushed to 600HP or so before he sold it.

Probably has a proper tune as well? Many of the know issues were not the result of the hardware but of the supporting tune. We are not talking some dude's backyard, Ebay turbo install here.

[ocbrz66]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Probably has a proper tune as well? Many of the know issues were not the result of the hardware but of the supporting tune. We are not talking some dude's backyard, Ebay turbo install here.

Tuned locally by a shop named Chruch. The owner there is very adept with the Ecutek platform. Good cold start and idle.

[dhuang]

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

I never knew people were so passionate about paying DMV fees.

I think there is a misconception that I own the car. I do not. A LLC formed in Montana owns the car, they allow me to drive the car. My name is not on the title or the registration. The LLC is a resident of Montana and pays all applicable taxes and fees.

I pay more in DMV taxes than most exotic car owners here in Atlanta.

It's basically robbery to immediately fork over $20k in taxes to the state just to "register" an exotic here. The smarter exotic owners are doing the Montana thing because they don't even keep the cars longer than two years -- those cars simply don't depreciate much within that time frame.

There's a reason why majority of the Bugattis state-side are registered in Montana -- I don't blame them for wanting to save $150k.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep!

That one is on my watch list, but I would prefer a '69 hardtop in yellow (my Grandmother had that one).

I also have these on my "wish list":

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

Sure, google "uhaul arizona plates" .

Three for three. Those are apportioned plates for an interstate commercial truck fleet. "Apportioned" means that rather than having to pay taxes in each state separately, taxes are paid to one state, then distributed among the states where the fleet is registered to operate.

That has nothing to do with your tax scam. That would be like Uhaul registering its trucks just in Arizona, then not paying taxes to the other states where the trucks operate. So this analogy doesn't work either, because it's exactly the opposite of what you're arguing.

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

Legally, this is bullet proof. It's been tested in court before. ( https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...c0bf7e398.html ).

That article doesn't say it's bullet proof. It says that it was tested in Louisiana court. The same article actually points out that just because it worked (once) in Louisiana doesn't mean it would work in other places:

"California, Massachusetts and Iowa have passed laws aiming to prevent their residents from using the Montana loophole."

Furthermore, your article leaves out a seemingly minor detail in Thomas v. Bridges that made it all work. The court found that the guy didn't actually garage the RV in Louisiana. He kept it parked in Mississippi. So not only is it not relevant to California, but it's also not really relevant to Louisiana.

Originally Posted by ocbrz66

I think there is a misconception that I own the car. I do not. A LLC formed in Montana owns the car, they allow me to drive the car. My name is not on the title or the registration. The LLC is a resident of Montana and pays all applicable taxes and fees.

Ever heard of "piercing the corporate veil"? The general principle is that if you use a corporate entity to enable or hide the illegal actions of an individual, the veil of protection and/or anonymity normally afforded by the corporate entity is void, and the individual owners become liable instead.

Formation of a corporation for the sole purpose of breaking the law in your home state is pretty much the definition of a sham corporation. Your LLC is not worth the toilet paper it's printed on.

What's more, the CHP has set up a tip site for people to report Montana tax scam LLCs. And here you are boasting about it in public. Personally I think I'd keep that very quiet.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I prefer the 65 to 69 second gen but that one is well updated by the looks of it.

Yea, me too. second gen are way sexier.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That one is on my watch list, but I would prefer a '69 hardtop in yellow (my Grandmother had that one).

I also have these on my "wish list":

That MG is mine, keep your hands off.

[mav1178]

I think OP has fun with his insurance company...

"my car has Montana plates but I live and drive it in California"... even if you make no claims, to get a policy and misrepresent the conditions under which the car is insured is fraud.

have fun with this. Buyer beware.

https://jalopnik.com/the-pitfalls-of...cam-1711216059