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I'm not going to search it now, but Subaru claimed something like 11 failures of valve springs had occurred, and they were doing the recall out of an "abundance of caution". Fair enough, good intention, but since the recall has started, we know of a few dozen vehicles that have had engine failures shortly after the work was done. The failure rate of the recall work is higher than the failure rate of the valve springs. Clear problem there.
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Here, I went and looked it up: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jensen/.../#3efa4f983d58
"Between April 2012 and August in 2015 Subaru said it had eleven reports of vehicles stalling in the United States." 11 failures from the valve springs. 40+ failures after the recall work, on this forum alone. The rate of successful recall work isn't relevant as far as safety goes, the comparison of the rate of failure between the valve springs and the recall work is the relevant safety metric.
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Still better odds than the repair work though since all of the repair failures are on the FA20 engine which is only in the 25,000 FRS and BRZs. There are no repair failures reported on any of the other models. The rate of successful repairs is certainly relevant in that the issue may not be as large as being reported. We just don't know.
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Correction, the consumers plate. Not sure I’ve seen a single “dealer” cover their work yet. The only success stories are where Subaru or Toyota throws their own money at the dealers crap work. |
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When it comes to law suits (which is what they are worried about) it really doesn’t matter how many jobs have been successful. A single death or serious injury is all it takes. Lawyers are clever too, they could probably find a way to pin a dealers bad work on Toyota/Subaru. |
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There are 10 on the list that have covered it. We have no clue if Toyota or the dealer paid. Only 3 that have been refused outright. Of those one was modified and one a salvage title. What does it matter who paid as long as the owner didn’t have too anyway?
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Following the discussion in these threads I’ve gotten the impression most were handled by corporate. My point was if Toyota says no then it’s on the owner not the dealer because the dealers are shady as crap. |
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An impression is not a fact. All dealers are not shady. Just some of them. It reamains that we have no clue how many responsible dealers did the right thing and the assumption they are all shady is not realistic.
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Which is a safer choice for my car, having the recall performed or not having the recall performed? Right now the data points towards the latter. US region valve spring failures: 11 US region recall failures: 40? Certainly not every failure is sure to have been from the recall work, but there must also be failures that were not reported to this forum. It may not be possible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it's as certain to me as it can be that the recall work has caused more failures than the actual valve springs.
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With the new instructions we can hope that the repair failures drop off.
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Was not easy to get dealer admit fault though. I basically had to act like fking detective by keeping paper trail, secretly recording the test drive with master tech and the knocking noise. I also looked over the manual bunch of times, told them exactly where they didn't follow manual. Also told them "do not tear my engine apart without me being there". Made sure i took bunch of pictures once they tore apart my engine. Basically, I collected as much info/evidence as possible and was ready to come back with a lawyer. ANDD one thing that made the managers nervous was me asking for the Tech's credentials. You have to be engine expert or master tech to do recall but of course they wouldn't even tell me the name of the tech worked on my car. Service director straight up lied to me that he didn't know one of his OWN tech's name lol... |
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