Center for Automotive Safety calls for halt to recall
 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/27207/...erous-problems

Glad I held off.

Yes , me too!

You realize that the Center for Automotive Safety is in no way a government agency? Hell they didn't even have the facts right in the first report.
The NHTSA is not a consumer advocate that will get the failed engines replaced either. The most they can say is to ensure there is no safety issue. Subaru and Toyota have updated their instructions and that is about all that they can be told to do.

Another thread. About another article. Written by the same person. That is now posted in every single thread that already existed, as well as it’s own.


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And I have asked "what do you hope to get from the NHTSA?" in each of those threads and have not received an answer.
This article quotes 3 of the 4 people that have so far been refused (according to the tracking list in one thread). Totally ignores the 11 that have had replacements done.
Yes it would really, really suck to have the recall done and blow up an engine but there is not the rampant refusal to make good that these articles make it out to be.
The reported failures seem to have dropped off considerably since the updated instructions went out so maybe things are leveling out.

What kind of weed you smoke and I need some of that


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No weed. Just an objective view without emotions clouding the facts (the few we have) since I am not at risk. I am getting my info from the exact same places as the writer of that article. He chooses to spin it as if it is a huge disaster. I interpret the info in a totally different manner.
So tell me. What do the people expect the NHTSA to do? Order Subaru to replace whole engines instead of fixing springs? Nope, they do not control the fix of a recall only if one is required. Require them to replace engines that blow? Again nope, that is beyond the scope of their authority.

I think the news is significant since it may start the ball rolling and help those stuck with the cost of the recall failure dead engines getting reimbursement.

If I was part of the unlucky ones, I guess my hope would be that the competence issue would be recognised, and that subsequent pressure from corporate would help ones with borked engines get taken care of at the dealer level.

I know it's not Toyota's role to pay for engines destroyed by a tech on the ground floor, but dealers are doing business under Toyota's name, they have rules to follow. Just like a McDonald's franchisee is subject to rules from the mothership.

The 3 people of “400,000” that are stuck with the cost? Man, we better get everyone involved, that’s massive.

One of the cars is boosted, probably not getting any help there. Don’t take your heavily modified car to the dealership, they take notes.

One has a salvage title, again not getting any help. When you buy a car for half price there’s a reason. It has a salvage title because it was damaged beyond the point of reasonable repair. When you save thousands of dollars buying the car you lose things, namely support of the dealer when something goes wrong.

I hope everyone knows the author is a member of the forum who’s own car died after the recall. It’s not a news article, it’s a novel.

We have no idea what the real number of failures are out there but it is sure to be more than what we see here.

Was just thinking the same thing, also if I'm not mistaken, the article states they "Would recommend the NHTSA calls for a halt on recalls". It's simply a speculation/opinion.

And we also have no idea the number of successfully repaired springs so the failure rate may be 1%, 10% or 90%. The lack of data works both ways and to assume that the 40 reports of failure we do know about represent the majority is probably way off base.

I would hope the NHTSA would order the manufacturers to suspend the recall until they have a firm and full grasp of why it's caused a higher rate of failures than the issue they're recalling. They're increasing the danger and chance of harm for their customers, despite their intention, so that should be stopped until it can be assured that it's no longer the case.

Personally, I don't blame the manufacturer as much as I blame the local dealerships. The job CAN be done correctly, it's just that the way it's designed right now, it's leading to a significant failure rate, cars dying on the road, exactly the problem they sought to avoid. Maybe give the techs additional training, or give them another 6 hours on the bill to do the job more carefully, I don't know what the remedy is, but clearly something has to be done to improve the success rate.