Toyota S-FR Concept!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by venturaII

Mazda seems like a no-brainer to team up with to supply drivetrain and chassis technology...The 115bhp Skyactive 1.5 is already being shared in the former Scion iA and Toyota Yaris, and a quick warm-up tune could put it in the 130bhp range, which would work nicely with a ~2100 pound curb weight of the S-FR. Miata NC 5 speed could be shared with the Fiat 124. Similarly, between the FT86 and NC/ND Miata platforms, I'm sure an inexpensive and effective chassis/suspension solution could be arranged.

I think Toyota is afraid the S-FR and the 86 are too closely related, in terms of market. They're both small 4 cyl 2+2 coupes, blah blah blah...

100% agree on all points. There was some talk about that back in the brief appearance of the concept.

[squall leonhart]

OK I guess. Just doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm not claiming to be an expert. The SF-R was slated to have what, 130hp? Toyota can't manage to engineer a 130 hp engine themselves without losing money? If they can't take some economy engine from another model and modify it slightly to be mounted longitudinally then why can't they mid-mount a transverse engine that they already have and make a new MR2?

Again, obviously I don't understand modern automaking, and I'm not claiming to.

I don't get why Mazda can have the MX-5 powered by a Mazda developed engine? It doesn't cost $80k and I feel like Mazda has less resources than Toyota. The Z has a Nissan produced engine. It doesn't cost $80k.

And honestly, I don't care to have it explained to me. If it can't be done, I guess that's just how it is. Me understanding it won't change it, and it won't change that I think it's stupid.

Maybe I should just be looking for an old MR2 or 80's Celica or something and enjoy Toyota's glory days.

[venturaII]

Originally Posted by squall leonhart

Maybe I should just be looking for an old MR2 or 80's Celica or something and enjoy Toyota's glory days.

This is about the closest thing you could get to what the S-FR would have been:

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by squall leonhart

OK I guess. Just doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm not claiming to be an expert. The SF-R was slated to have what, 130hp? Toyota can't manage to engineer a 130 hp engine themselves without losing money? If they can't take some economy engine from another model and modify it slightly to be mounted longitudinally then why can't they mid-mount a transverse engine that they already have and make a new MR2?

Again, obviously I don't understand modern automaking, and I'm not claiming to.

I don't get why Mazda can have the MX-5 powered by a Mazda developed engine? It doesn't cost $80k and I feel like Mazda has less resources than Toyota. The Z has a Nissan produced engine. It doesn't cost $80k.

And honestly, I don't care to have it explained to me. If it can't be done, I guess that's just how it is. Me understanding it won't change it, and it won't change that I think it's stupid.

Maybe I should just be looking for an old MR2 or 80's Celica or something and enjoy Toyota's glory days.

Mazda has been making the Miata for a long. long time. The costs of redesigning and building it are not the same as starting from scratch.
Oh, and let's not forget that the new Miata's are built on a platform that is...


(drumroll please)


A joint venture!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Right, something else, left.....

[squall leonhart]

Yeah, I know there's a Fiat version. But it's still a Mazda developed engine in the Mazda MX-5.

If there were a Subaru version of the Toyota 86 with a Toyota engine...I'd care a lot less about the shared platform thing. I just prefer a Toyota engine. I've preferred a Toyota engine since it was announced. And I'm just extra annoyed about it right now because of the stupid recall situation.

I also get that refining existing models is cheaper than starting from scratch. From what understood the SF-R was nearly production ready. So they did plenty of work already. I don't know if it was ever substantiated, but I believe I remember reading that it was possibly going to use a modified but existing Toyota engine.

But I need to leave work, so I'm gonna stop typing now. LOL.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by squall leonhart

Yeah, I know there's a Fiat version. But it's still a Mazda developed engine in the Mazda MX-5.

If there were a Subaru version of the Toyota 86 with a Toyota engine...I'd care a lot less about the shared platform thing. I just prefer a Toyota engine. I've preferred a Toyota engine since it was announced. And I'm just extra annoyed about it right now because of the stupid recall situation.

I also get that refining existing models is cheaper than starting from scratch. From what understood the SF-R was nearly production ready. So they did plenty of work already. I don't know if it was ever substantiated, but I believe I remember reading that it was possibly going to use a modified but existing Toyota engine.

But I need to leave work, so I'm gonna stop typing now. LOL.

Nobody said the SF-R was production ready except the press. Even then they just said it looked that way.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Didnt Toyota say around Supra time debut they wouldn't bother with a sub 86 anymore? Reasoning if you want a cheaper 86 alternative plenty of used ones are available. The 3rd brother would be a tier above the current 86 and under the new Supra.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Didnt Toyota say around Supra time debut they wouldn't bother with a sub 86 anymore? Reasoning if you want a cheaper 86 alternative plenty of used ones are available. The 3rd brother would be a tier above the current 86 and under the new Supra.

Nope they have never said that.
They really have never said anything on any official level about any tiered level of cars. A couple of company representative have said they would "like" to see three levels and the so called press ran with those comments and made loads of crap up.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope they have never said that.
They really have never said anything on any official level about any tiered level of cars. A couple of company representative have said they would "like" to see three levels and the so called press ran with those comments and made loads of crap up.

I often wonder what their motivation is to have a 3 sports car lineup. I'm guessing it has to to with attracting younger buyers who will then stick with the brand. They know what they're doing and i could be WAY off base.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

I often wonder what their motivation is to have a 3 sports car lineup. I'm guessing it has to to with attracting younger buyers who will then stick with the brand. They know what they're doing and i could be WAY off base.

I think that they just like the idea of sports cars. As silly as that sounds it really could be as simple as that.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think that they just like the idea of sports cars. As silly as that sounds it really could be as simple as that.

Could be and we're all spectators until/if it happens.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Could be and we're all spectators until/if it happens.

Spectacular speculating spectators.

[new2subaru]

I would love for them to build this car! Based in the roofline I might actually fit