What little things you want to see

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

I have seen this comment before: I do heel-n-toe on daily driving. I am curious how and when you will use this technique on daily driving, unless you are street racing all the time.

Can you give me some example when you really need to heel-n-toe to down shift? Wouldn't it make sense just hold the clutch and shift to the correct gear when slowing down?

You don't really NEED to heal-toe in daily driving, its just something you do....either cause, eh, why not, or because you're practicing.

I used to do that all the time because anytime I got to hear the 4A rev up, was a good time.

[enc0re]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

I have seen this comment before: I do heel-n-toe on daily driving. I am curious how and when you will use this technique on daily driving, unless you are street racing all the time.

Can you give me some example when you really need to heel-n-toe to down shift? Wouldn't it make sense just hold the clutch and shift to the correct gear when slowing down?

Slowing down with the clutch in is unsafe. You should always be in gear. Heel and toe is to rev-match on the downshift. Saves wear on the clutch specifically, and drivetrain in general. I don't street race.

If you can't heel and toe, I recommend doing a rev matched downshift first, and then slowing down.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by enc0re

Slowing down with the clutch in is unsafe. You should always be in gear.

And the reason that it is unsafe is because? (now I think this is a noobs question.)

[Allch Chcar]

If they do use an automated transmission my only request is that it be an automated manual and not a torque converter based transmission. The Auto usually anchor the overall fuel economy numbers for the car while manuals get the shorter final drive for performance. It's amazing how tall of gearing an auto needs to run to match a manual's efficiency but for an automated manual like a dual clutch, the efficiency is similar so the MPG is better on the EPA cycle. Hopefully it can get a sport mode override so that it doesn't force shift before redline like some do. But that would be a minor grip in comparison to a CVT being the automatic version.

I'm sure you guys would appreciate an unrestricted manual version. A slushy auto would paint a negative view on the car anyway. A DSG should be more connected than a CVT in operation. I won't comment on CVT efficiency, MPG, or reliability since in a car like this "feel" is more important than those factors. What are your opinions?

[enc0re]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

And the reason that it is unsafe is because? (now I think this is a noobs question.)

Costs time if you have to emergency accelerate. In Germany, during your driving test, it'll literally cost you points to slow down like that. Unfortunately, driving a manual isn't taught anymore in the U.S., so many of those little things are being forgotten.

[OldSkoolToys]

My opinion? Okies...

Unassisted manual stick...could care less about how they go about sugar coating the automatic transmission.

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Hopefully it can get a sport mode override so that it doesn't force shift before redline like some do.

AFAIK this is done because of the powerband of the engine. near the redline the power tends to drop off anyway, it gets to a point where you may as well change gear to get back into the powerband, and a lot of the time this is before the actual redline or rev limiter.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by enc0re

Costs time if you have to emergency accelerate. In Germany, during your driving test, it'll literally cost you points to slow down like that. Unfortunately, driving a manual isn't taught anymore in the U.S., so many of those little things are being forgotten.

Thanks for the explanation. Now, can you teach me what the proper way to slow down during red-light: imagine if you are driving 40 mph on the road in 5 gear, probably 2500 to 3000 rpm, and you see the red light in front of you. So you press brake to slow down. Then, what is next?

Thanks.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by Archer256

not necessarily, lets face it. Stick is dead/dying few more years and you either have auto/sport shift or only paddles. I wouldnt be surprised if Toyota offers Paddles only as an option.

btw can you have 3 pedals w/ shifters? (sorry if thats a noob question)

GTFO....

[Archer256]

lol dude it has nothing to do with opinion FYI, it's just how the entire industry is headed. All if not like 99% of supercars use shifters and have no stick now that's the biggest sign.

[dominican]

Originally Posted by Archer256

not necessarily, lets face it. Stick is dead/dying few more years and you either have auto/sport shift or only paddles. I wouldnt be surprised if Toyota offers Paddles only as an option.

btw can you have 3 pedals w/ shifters? (sorry if thats a noob question)

ok, there are 4 types of transmissions commonly used in cars today:

Automatic (the slushbox). This is the most common type with the beige masses.It uses a torque converter, which makes these slushboxes less efficient. With advancements, however, there have been improvements, such as locking torque converters. Manufacturers also add paddles so that you can "shift" your own, but it's really not the same

CVT: Continuously variable Transmission. This uses Variable-diameter pulley system to change gear ratios continuously. In theory, this is best because you it can rev the engine to desired power level and speed up the car accordingly. You can also have as many "fixed" speeds as you'd like, by having the computer map out the ratios. If you've ever driven one, they feel like doodoo. Paddles can also be added, but meh.

Dual Clutch Transmissions (DCT) These are the newest transmissions being put into higher end performance cars (and some lower end cars also have them). This is the paddle shifter's dream. It is basically two manual transmissions in one, and takes care of shifting for you when you want, or your can shift yourself. In my opinion, the future of performance is going to be these types of transmission.

good ol 3 pedal action: This has been around for a while. You have a transmission that you can pick the ratios for, you have the engine, and in between a flywheel and a clutch. That's the good stuff, and only this has the three pedals, as this type of transmission requires the clutch pedal to control the clutch, something that computers do on the DCT and something the torque converter takes care of in conventional autotragics.

cheers! :happy0180:

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Archer256

not necessarily, lets face it. Stick is dead/dying few more years and you either have auto/sport shift or only paddles. I wouldnt be surprised if Toyota offers Paddles only as an option.

btw can you have 3 pedals w/ shifters? (sorry if thats a noob question)

With paddles? It'd have to be a sequential tranny.

If you think stick is dead or dying you're ignoring the rest of the modern world. The US is only 5% of the total population even if we have something crazy like 10% of the cars. Manuals are still cheaper, simpler, and the most efficient transmission aside from a single speed. An automatic typically adds $500-$1000 to the purchase price of the car.

Granted 6spds aren't really taking the US by storm since they were introduced. They're far more common in Europe than here. And they do offer good automatics there too. From what I've read in reports, something like 90% of new cars are sold with automatic transmissions since the 90's. And companies are still selling 5spds and 6spds and people are still buying them 10 years later. So I'd say it's still going even though it's a niche. If gas prices keep climbing up do you think people are going to cling to their automatics? Most people buy used and they're mostly automatics now. I imagine that demand for manual cars is going to go up a teeny bit, eh?

[Archer256]

My point wasn't that manual is dead, my point wass that STICK is being replaced by DCT's. So like instead of auto and manual/stick cars will be either auto or DCT

[NESW20]

dual clutch transmissions don't count as any sort of manual transmission, especially as most of them have an "auto" mode.