Interested in comparing the FT86 to the Silvia?

[adprokid]

Originally Posted by fatoni

...where did that come from?

too much comparing is going on, also i would like to compare it to lexus IS300, oh i forgot mark 2, lexus sc300, zx300, z350, 370, genesis, mr2, mrs, s2k

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by adprokid

too much comparing is going on, also i would like to compare it to lexus IS300, oh i forgot mark 2, lexus sc300, zx300, z350, 370, genesis, mr2, mrs, s2k

well its a new car. people need to find out where this thing sits. there is a whole vs forum. comparisons are good, thats how you find out where your money is best spent

[adprokid]

Originally Posted by fatoni

well its a new car. people need to find out where this thing sits. there is a whole vs forum. comparisons are good, thats how you find out where your money is best spent

Test drive/ the vs forum

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by adprokid

Test drive/ the vs forum

while a forum doesnt replace a test drive, it can provide useful information. there is a real world counter part that is more effective than a forum for every aspect of owning a car. youre welcome not to go the the vs subforum if you dont see its point

[GenkiElite]

Is there a way to thumbs down a thread?
Nevermind, found it.

[regal]

So an S14 owner thumbs down the thread? I find that interesting.

Max,
I appreciate your input. But thats why you buy a car that someone else did the conversion on, I think it is realistic to find/finish a near complete replica of the Japanese version of the 240SX for under $10k. Luckily I am a painter so a $5k paint job costs me just the paint. There was a similiar period in the 80's where you could find "restored" big block 'cudas for $4k that someone sunk $10k into. Now they are 5 figures.

I agree with Brzz, but the S15 I think was heavy, more of a S14 vs FR-S comparison.

I think the subject is interesting, the biggest question will come down to the boxer engine. Thats the biggest difference, on paper the SR20DET beats it stock and with just minor mods it murders it. So I my fear is this boxer engine may have the same sort of stigma/lack of potential that killed the RX-7.

Someone mentioned turbo lag, what do we call that big torque dip with the BRZ, Direct Injection lag ?

Again just cognitive dissonance before shelling out $25k for a new FR-S vs $10k for a restored 240sx.

But I probably wouldn't have started this thread if the FR-S wasn't sold out within 300 miles from me

[Synack]

Originally Posted by regal

So an S14 owner thumbs down the thread? I find that interesting.

Max,
I appreciate your input. But thats why you buy a car that someone else did the conversion on, I think it is realistic to find/finish a near complete replica of the Japanese version of the 240SX for under $10k. Luckily I am a painter so a $5k paint job costs me just the paint. There was a similiar period in the 80's where you could find "restored" big block 'cudas for $4k that someone sunk $10k into. Now they are 5 figures.

I agree with Brzz, but the S15 I think was heavy, more of a S14 vs FR-S comparison.

I think the subject is interesting, the biggest question will come down to the boxer engine. Thats the biggest difference, on paper the SR20DET beats it stock and with just minor mods it murders it. So I my fear is this boxer engine may have the same sort of stigma/lack of potential that killed the RX-7.

Someone mentioned turbo lag, what do we call that big torque dip with the BRZ, Direct Injection lag ?

Again just cognitive dissonance before shelling out $25k for a new FR-S vs $10k for a restored 240sx.

But I probably wouldn't have started this thread if the FR-S wasn't sold out within 300 miles from me

Nice outro

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[Max Schnell]

Not to generalize a whole group of enthusiasts but most if not all 240sx that someone else did the conversion etc on I would not touch with a 10 foot pole. Its a cheap platform often modded by young guys trying to get into the drift scene. Maybe you can find a gem here and there but those are usually not sold until pushing the limits on something had made the owner want to just get rid of it.

Even the best conversion 240sx is running a junkyard motor from another country with no history on the motor other than what you are being told. A JUN or TOMEI fully built crate motor would run 10-15k just for the motor. Those I would trust but in a 10k car built by someone else? Not likely...

A fully built motor etc for the 240sx is still money but its the details that cost more and most would skip. I can talk about the 240sx all day long because I love the 240sx but I would not trust one someone else modded.

The S14 240sx will always be in my fondest of memories as the first car I owned, modded and loved. But there is only so much you can do about age and wear unless you are ready to cough up serious dough.

That is why I am here looking so closely at the FRS/BRZ. I want to move away from older cars and modding them. I'd rather find a decent new car I can mod mildly and enjoy mostly worry free than dealing with all the old car issues. My target car for comprison has always been the E36 M3 because I love the way that car drives, responds to mods and performs. If the twins or updated versions can hit that performance target in every aspect I will drop money on one in a heartbeat.(they are very close already so its only a slight bit of power bump and seeing if there are any other weaknesses to be ready to modify) Until then I will observe and learn about the twins and their aftermarket support.

[GenkiElite]

S15 Silvia was lighter than the S14 Silvia and had about 30 more HP.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Max Schnell

My target car for comprison has always been the E36 M3 because I love the way that car drives, responds to mods and performs. .

I used to own an E30 then an E24, those were amazing cars back then been waiting for years for something comparable but affordable. The E24 had amazing grace on turns for a heavy car, but I like the smaller lighter weight cars better.

Originally Posted by GenkiElite

S15 Silvia was lighter than the S14 Silvia and had about 30 more HP.

Yea I was thinking about the 97-98 NA 240sx cars that got heavy.

[Synack]

I think a huge amount of us are trying to find a modern day 240SX in the FR-S.

[JDM_Badge]

I had grand plans of a 1994 s13 240sx hatch with an SR20DET swap and full suspension back in the day. I still love those cars, and if a mothballed one existed I would almost take it over the FR-S for the nostalgia and fun building it up. That car is the real reason I want an FR-S.

In so many ways I see the the new 86 as the new sileighty and not the new hachi roku (nissan vs fuji heavy industries manufacturing aside). Hell, for a turbo I will still probably need to do an engine swap for it to be done properly once the new wrx engine comes out. It's like I am 19 all over again.

The money and a clean S13 always missed each other in the past, this time around I am not going to wait. I can see the similarities in so many ways. The new 86 has a much better platform to work from for a daily driver though with the lower CG, modern safety equipment and chassis engineering. I don't even have to get it with that unpredictable rear HICAS system (which I would have removed) to get a factory LSD this time around. Hell my obsession with JDM started with the 240sx vs Silvia K back in the day.

I know I am rambling like a mad man, but yeah the two are very similar to one another in many regards. The FR-S is the modern day s13 240sx I have been waiting for. I went from wanting a Raven FR-S to ordering an Ultramarine one because it reminded me of that Sileighty in Initial D so darn much.

[GenkiElite]

Originally Posted by Synack

I think a huge amount of us are trying to find a modern day 240SX in the FR-S.

We are....There isn't one.

[regal]

Originally Posted by GenkiElite

We are....There isn't one.

In 1993 we thought the same things about the US 240SX. But then we started finding better engines (used from Japan SR20DET), and even the KA24 was proven cabable of high power with FI.

In 5 years from now who knows what engine we may be able to drop into these things.

And still right now as it sits its still has the power as a 100% stock JDM S13 SR20DET red top, factory car vs factory car.

I guess what I am saying is I passed on buying a new 240sx because it had a truck 4 cylinder motor. I wish I hadn't because there were so many unforseen upgrade paths years after it was released.

Also this FR-S is still an OBDII car, which sucks right now but won't be near as handicapping as what the future holds as far as passing emmissions with major config changes.

It could be the last chance to own a lightweight gas powered affordable rwd coupe. A Swan Song, I think I am going to get in line.