Should I Trade In My Si?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Sell the Civic, but a used BRZ limited, pocket the difference.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ermax

The difference being IF you spin the rears the car will rotate where on a FWD car if you spin it will just try to go straight.

You're driving fwd wrong.

https://gfycat.com/thiswelltodoharrier

[bcj]

Originally Posted by JR

Most of the other vehicles are out of my price range and don't handle as well. I care more about handling than raw power.

When my Civic broke (95), there were NO cars being manufactured that I could afford *and* interested me in the slightest.

So I bought a mobile apartment and went road tripping with bicycles.

The 86 finally checked all the boxes in stock form. About bleeding time.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You're driving fwd wrong.



https://gfycat.com/thiswelltodoharrier

I know how to drive. I’m not talking about me though. When the front wheels loose traction the car will go straight which easier for an inexperienced driver to deal with than having the rear want to come around.

[GrantedTaken]

1) Torque dip is something complained about by people who don't know how to downshift.
These people belong in a powerful Mustang that is more forgiving of being in the wrong gear constantly.

2) What is rev hang?

3) Amazing.

[GrantedTaken]

Why did you sell the FRS ?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Why did you sell the FRS ?

It was automatic, duh 🤣

[JR]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

It was automatic, duh 🤣

Your not wrong

[ermax]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

1) Torque dip is something complained about by people who don't know how to downshift.
These people belong in a powerful Mustang that is more forgiving of being in the wrong gear constantly.

2) What is rev hang?

3) Amazing.

Torque dip is complained about by people who don't want to be boy racer pulling to redline just to pass a mini van.

Rev hang is when you push the clutch to upshift and the revs hang for bit before dropping off. This crap would drive me nuts. Glad the Twins don't do this.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Torque dip is complained about by people who don't want to be boy racer pulling to redline just to pass a mini van.

Rev hang is when you push the clutch to upshift and the revs hang for bit before dropping off. This crap would drive me nuts. Glad the Twins don't do this.

Torque dip is a non issue except for guys that like to scream the MT is the bestest and anybody that doesn't think so is a moron until they actually have to use it then whine that they shouldn't have to shift to make power.

If you have to redline to pass mini vans you are doing things wrong.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Torque dip is a non issue except for guys that like to scream the MT is the bestest and anybody that doesn't think so is a moron until they actually have to use it then whine that they shouldn't have to shift to make power.



If you have to redline to pass mini vans you are doing things wrong.

Has nothing to do with MT vs AT. I’ve never owned a car (or truck) where the power is good and then goes stagnant for nearly 3000rpm. Sure you can shift around it but the window is way to big to easily ignore. Maybe people that don’t complain haven’t driven many performance cars in the past or are just apologists. E85 has almost entirely solved the dip for me and it’s a night and day change.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Has nothing to do with MT vs AT. I’ve never owned a car (or truck) where the power is good and then goes stagnant for nearly 3000rpm. Sure you can shift around it but the window is way to big to easily ignore. Maybe people that don’t complain haven’t driven many performance cars in the past or are just apologists. E85 has almost entirely solved the dip for me and it’s a night and day change.

Nearly 3,000 RPM? Dude get your car checked. It is under 1,000 and lasts a tenth of a second if you rev through it.

Funny how the whiners always fall back on how great of drivers they are and if you don't have a problem you must suck, have never driven "performance" cars before or are just making excuses for the car. Many of us have no issue with it. How is that so hard to accept? Don't have to "drive around" anything.

Funny how you maintain that you have driven all these performance cars but never run into it before when it is actually very common.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...79&postcount=8

Ugh MT best but should not have to shift gears. Bad car. Bad.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by JR

Unfortunately, the new car smell has disappeared and the Little Trees New Car Scent is not cutting it.

Yeah, for most people by year 2-3 the new car smell had died for various reasons, maybe farting too much.

Civic negatives:
1. too many on the road (clones). Some people don't care if their next door neighbor drives the same car as they do (its all personal preference). How is demand going to be in 3-6 years , even on a $18k new car ?
2. cheaply made/ planned interior
3. driving dynamics ( I could write a book on this, but I'll refrain).
4. Its usually more cost effective ( if you keep the car 3-4 years, or even 10 years) to buy a new Civic, then to try and find a clean used 3-6 year old Civic to save some coin ( still $10-12k, dealers usually hold price/value fairly firm since it's a Honda-higher demand and low cost car), in most counties.

Civic positives :
1. mpg (usually good, most models /years)
2. cost ( lower cost then most cars

** The fun to drive element , is the variable that a car either does or doesn't have. That criteria can be on the upper level list for most people (possibly higher then MPG or cost of ownership). If it truly is MPG, get a Insight, Prius, Leaf.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nearly 3,000 RPM? Dude get your car checked. It is under 1,000 and lasts a tenth of a second if you rev through it.

Funny how the whiners always fall back on how great of drivers they are and if you don't have a problem you must suck, have never driven "performance" cars before or are just making excuses for the car. Many of us have no issue with it. How is that so hard to accept? Don't have to "drive around" anything.

Funny how you maintain that you have driven all these performance cars but never run into it before when it is actually very common.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...79&postcount=8

Ugh MT best but should not have to shift gears. Bad car. Bad.

When did a fall back on how great of a driver I am. I can accept that some people aren’t bothered by it. But you can’t just write it off as a nonissue. Torque dips may be common, I’ve been lucky enough to never own one or drive one until the FRS. I was warned by some of my autox friends that I may not like the car as a DD because of this but after driving the car the pros outweigh the cons. But that doesn’t mean it’s not there and not annoying.

BTW, it isn’t just 1000RPM.

Edit: just looked at that list of cars with torque dips. I’ve driven the AP1 and AP2 and although the AP1 is boring until 6k, it doesn’t feel like a “dip”. It just feels like a B16A until 6k. I would never own an AP1 specifically for this reason. The AP2 didn’t have a perceived dip (even if you can see one on paper) when I drove it. The Twins have a very perceivable dip though.