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I thought the car drove well, I do admit the DC5 is a more civilized compared to the DC2. But comparing RSX to FRS is apple to orange or RWD to FWD
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I would say the rsx has the superior engine.
The k20z engine scream with an intake is unbeatable and the way it revs compared to a fa20. The rsx was let down mainly cause of its front mac suspension as well. If the Dc5 was made in rwd format the cars we know right now wouldn't be what we know. I for one is originally planning to get a integra type S (what we call it in Aus) but the frs being 10k more than a 6 years old rsx s over here its a easy decision here. |
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DC5's Looked great, The Type's.
But, I would take a brand new BR-Z over a used RSX.
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If you think the rsx power is low. You aren't going to like the FR-S either. I love EVERYTHING about the FR-S and BRZ except two things.. 1. The steering 2. The engine I don't find the FA20 to be that great. For such a high compression motor.. 200hp doesn't seem to be that glorious. The best aspect of the FA20 is the boxer. It allows the motor to be very flat and sit low in the chassis which in turn gives the FR-S/BRZ a log COG. Apart from that. The boxer will just make maintenance more complicated. There are better 4 cylinder motors in history than the FA20. The steering on the FR-S and BRZ is much better than most of the electric steering units I've tried to date. It's still not as interactive and direct as a hydraulic power steering system though. The rsx is the last generation of old school Hondas. With the DC2 being the king. All these new Honda sports cars are electric steering and throttle controlled and even heavier. The biggest let down on the rsx isn't the motor or the interior or the design... It's the suspension.. I find the stock suspension in the rsx to be garbage. Way too much body roll for a sports car. The lack of LSD also makes NO SENSE. How can you have a sports car without an LSD? Of course if you add the LSD and work on the suspension it's a decent platform for performance. It's still a fwd though.. And that just won't cut it for the ultimate driving experience. The FRS and BRZ on the other hand has excellent suspension stock and offers an LSD standard. The way a sports car SHOULD be. Take notes here Honda.. I do agree that when I first sat in the FR-S I told myself.. This is very similar to my rsx interior (i have a dc5-r interior conversion) The fabric bucket seats, red stitching. sporty leather steering wheel. basic cluster and instruments. Low seating position..
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Personally, I feel like the handling on the BRZ is much better than the RSX.
Not sure about the potential, I had a Civic Si for a while and the BRZ feels a bit more powerful, stock for stock. |
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The ties rods are attached to the strut instead of the knuckles. The DC5/EP3 Chassis notoriously known for bumpsteer. Not going to lie, after awhile the RSX feels dated compare to all the newer cars that are coming out. If I had money I would pick up a BRZ in a heartbeat.
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Overall Handling: FR-S > DC2 > DC5 Steering Feel: DC2 > FR-S = DC5 Chassis Balance (neutral being better): FR-S >>> DC5 > DC2 Body Roll (less roll being better): FR-S > DC5 > DC2 Ride Comfort: DC2 > DC5 = FR-S Also, here is a dyno overlay for the FR-S vs. RSX Type-S (k20a2). The FR-S makes more torque across the board, except above 7100 RPM. Honda's k20 series has a LOT of aftermarket potential though, I don't think the FR-S will be able to match that (low redline and lack of variable valve lift). |
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I would say give the fa20 sometime as it can surprise us as it been out for less than 6months. K20 only got such mod with 10years of refined tunning as honda used the k20 from the first dc5r and ep3r back in 2002 and was still being produced in their last real type r the Fd2r.
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Speaking of potential:
Tainen's BRZ with I/H/DP/axleback made 179 whp. Even in a best case scenario where Perrin's tune added 10whp, that'd be ~190 whp @ 7000 rpm. In comparison, an RSX-S with similar mods (I/H/E/tune) will make about 210-220 whp @ 8000 rpm. Certainly over time tuners will find a way to squeeze more power out of the fa20, but the gap is so large, it'd be hard for the fa20 to match the potential of Honda's k-series (iVTEC + high redline). Don't get me wrong, the fa20 is impressive in its own right, I just don't think it has comparable potential. |
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