Should I Trade In My Si?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by bcj

Does the Honda still have the water pump driven off the timing belt?
A frozen pump is what blew up my '84 Civic S. After 11 years though.

It did in '03.


Those who care about having decent clutch feel/feedback need to do this. It's the only thing that addresses the root cause while retaining the stock clutch.

Assist spring removal doesn't do shit.

[qcbaker]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

It did in '03.


Those who care about having decent clutch feel/feedback need to do this. It's the only thing that addresses the root cause while retaining the stock clutch.

Assist spring removal doesn't do shit.

Definitely gonna disagree with you there. It noticeably improves clutch feel and makes the pedal stiffer. I'm not saying the cylinder swap doesn't also address the issue, but removing the assist spring most definitely does "do shit" lol.

[strat61caster]

tfw the 86 has more torque between 2k & 3.5k than the Si

Realtalk stop reading this go test drive and sleep on it. Either the test drive puts a smile on your face or quickly reminds you of how you felt on your first car. There are not significant changes since you last owned.

They're free and any sane dealership isn't treating these cars like royalty anymore.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

Definitely gonna disagree with you there. It noticeably improves clutch feel and makes the pedal stiffer. I'm not saying the cylinder swap doesn't also address the issue, but removing the assist spring most definitely does "do shit" lol.

A friend talked me into doing it. I was nice in my response but ultimately regretted removing it. Then my wife accidentally tossed out the parts. :/

It does nothing for the throw ratio, which is the root of the problem. Spring removal is a cosmetic change. It feels a little different but the idiotic long throw is still there.

[qcbaker]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

A friend talked me into doing it. I was nice in my response but ultimately regretted removing it. Then my wife accidentally tossed out the parts. :/


It does nothing for the throw ratio, which is the root of the problem.

Sorry to hear your wife threw out your parts, that does suck. As for the throw ratio, true enough. But removing the spring really helped me feel the engagement point better, which is really what was bothering me about the stock pedal in the first place. My shifts are a lot smoother than before, according to me and the 3 people who regularly ride shotgun in my car lol. Maybe one day I'll give your mod a try as well. Definitely a bit overkill for me currently though.

[Chikna]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

Sorry to hear your wife threw out your parts, that does suck. As for the throw ratio, true enough. But removing the spring really helped me feel the engagement point better, which is really what was bothering me about the stock pedal in the first place. My shifts are a lot smoother than before, according to me and the 3 people who regularly ride shotgun in my car lol. Maybe one day I'll give your mod a try as well. Definitely a bit overkill for me currently though.

Many wives do that; in fact, my wife threw away brand new trimmer handle and bottom part and now I can't even use it.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

Sorry to hear your wife threw out your parts, that does suck.

Originally Posted by Chikna

Many wives do that; in fact, my wife threw away brand new trimmer handle and bottom part and now I can't even use it.

I need to fess up. It was a team effort and I should take most of the blame. I wrapped the parts in a paper towel before placing them on the dining room table which is on the way to the kitchen sink. Then I got sidetracked and, well...

The next morning was trash day.

[JR]

Thank you all for your responses. Like some of you stated, I am looking for a sports car 'feel'. Honestly, I don't really remember how the FRS felt when I had it and I did not know how to drive manual. The Si is a good choice for commuting, but when I am looking for a little fun on the weekends, I am left wanting more. Driving is one of my hobbies, which is why I care so much.

I will definitely test drive one in the future. It may have to be an 86 because the only BRZs around me are located in NJ. I figured I may get the best deal towards the end of the year, as some dealerships may be looking to get rid of any left over 2018s.

[Alltezza]

Try getting your Si tuned, Ktuner or Hondata. I heard VitViper is good too.

I have a friend has a 2018 Si or whichever year one has the 1.5 Turbo in it. He's got it tuned and loved it ever since. Says everything is a lot more responsive, I don't know about the rev hang it might be tune related (OEM) for emissions purposes and what not.

[JR]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Try getting your Si tuned, Ktuner or Hondata. I heard VitViper is good too.

I have a friend has a 2018 Si or whichever year one has the 1.5 Turbo in it. He's got it tuned and loved it ever since. Says everything is a lot more responsive, I don't know about the rev hang it might be tune related (OEM) for emissions purposes and what not.

Tuning is an option, however, I do not want to worry about damaging anything and it not being covered under warranty when I am pushing the vehicle.

[Alltezza]

Originally Posted by JR

Tuning is an option, however, I do not want to worry about damaging anything and it not being covered under warranty when I am pushing the vehicle.

I think you'd be fine, you get a less aggressive tune. They can probably just tune for better responsiveness and tune out that rev hang for you. Unless you're gonna be adding more boost then yeah you're gonna have to worry a little more.

I think if you tune for what you want which is removing that rev hang and better responsiveness, it shouldn't do much.

Edit: Email Hondata or KTuner and see what they say.

[norcalpb]

A manual ‘18 86 will feel like a completely different beast than your automatic frs.

If you desire more of a rewarding driving experience, I don’t know why you’re not at the dealership right now making the swap.

The new Si has a gorgeous interior, but doesn’t have that great of handling compared to its fwd rivals like fiesta/focus st/gti.

[ToySub1946]

I drove an 18 Civic Si.

On the test drive...car seemed way too big and wide inside it's cabin compared to the intimacy of the FRS cabin.

I tended to drive above the speed limit, additionally, over revved the engine due to the fact that the engine is too quiet compared to my FRS.



Rev hang ? Never notice it in my FRS, though it's probably there in a very slight fashion.

Torque dip: What they don't ever say; it's sometimes there sometimes not, so you can't count on what to expect in an emergency situation.

Clutch/shifter feel: Clutch just fine once you get used to the fact that engagement is at the top of the pedal. Shifter feel very good, yet not as good as a Tremec transmission.



You've tried both cars...is it time for a Miata Club Manual ? New engine for the 2019 model year. Something to think about.

BRZ Limited with Performance Package list $30,500. Miata Club list $30,050

[jflogerzi]

Keep the SI a bit longer. You trade it in now, dealerships will bend you over. Get the flash for the SI. Wait a few years. Who knows the second gen FT86 could be close. But as everyone else said its the same car from 2013. The torque dip can be taken care of with a header and tune. Simple, and pretty cheap.