Doug Demuro’s review of my personal 2018 BRZtS

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

You ever try turning?

He meant just spirited street driving not gymkhana.

Gymkhana

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Street

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Come'on let's be honest the stock BRZ tS we get here is a street setup at best.

[wild03]

Originally Posted by NCtoBRZ

The Miata is really the closest driving experience to the BRZ (similar price, RWD, lightweight). The Veloster is nothing like the BRZ... it’s a FWD econobox with terrible steering. The Veloster N is a step up from a standard Veloster turbo, but the price starts getting pretty steep for a FWD Hyundai.

I see your point, someone else mentioned a V6 Camaro on a previous post but you are giving up fuel economy, not a fair comparison.
I used to drive an 86 rx-7 years ago. Similar setup, less power, then I tried a 09 Jetta TDI, that got a dpf and egr delete pipes, stage 2 tune and coilovers and bigger wheels, fun to drive and lots of torque, and would still manage 50mpg on the highway....now that was interesting.
The BRZ is taking me back to my rx-7 roots and it's fun love the sound, highest rpm is 3500 so far during brake in. And I still find it fun. 😄

[NCtoBRZ]

Originally Posted by wild03

I see your point, someone else mentioned a V6 Camaro on a previous post but you are giving up fuel economy, not a fair comparison.
I used to drive an 86 rx-7 years ago. Similar setup, less power, then I tried a 09 Jetta TDI, that got a dpf and egr delete pipes, stage 2 tune and coilovers and bigger wheels, fun to drive and lots of torque, and would still manage 50mpg on the highway....now that was interesting.
The BRZ is taking me back to my rx-7 roots and it's fun love the sound, highest rpm is 3500 so far during brake in. And I still find it fun. 😄

The V6 Camaro is also about 700 lbs. heavier and much larger than the BRZ... it’s a totally different driving experience.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by wild03

I see your point, someone else mentioned a V6 Camaro on a previous post but you are giving up fuel economy, not a fair comparison.
I used to drive an 86 rx-7 years ago. Similar setup, less power, then I tried a 09 Jetta TDI, that got a dpf and egr delete pipes, stage 2 tune and coilovers and bigger wheels, fun to drive and lots of torque, and would still manage 50mpg on the highway....now that was interesting.
The BRZ is taking me back to my rx-7 roots and it's fun love the sound, highest rpm is 3500 so far during brake in. And I still find it fun. 😄

The v6 Camaro doesn't require premium fuel like the BRZ does though. Some cost gets negated there.

Originally Posted by NCtoBRZ

The V6 Camaro is also about 700 lbs. heavier and much larger than the BRZ... it’s a totally different driving experience.

Obviously the cars aren't both oranges, but they are both great track cars out of the box and they both handle very well. The Camaro is heavier but it also makes more power and is quite a bit faster without needing forced induction

[Summerwolf]

Spot on Doug. Good job!

[NCtoBRZ]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

...Obviously the cars aren't both oranges, but they are both great track cars out of the box and they both handle very well. The Camaro is heavier but it also makes more power and is quite a bit faster without needing forced induction

Yes. They are both great track cars and any trim level of a current Camaro or Mustang will beat a twin on all but the most technical of tracks. My point is still that they are vastly different driving experiences... you feel the weight and size of muscle cars when driving them, no matter how well they accelerate or stick to the ground. This isn't to bash muscle cars as they have come a long way from their roots as terrible handling, straight line only cars...but again it's just a completely different experience from a lightweight car like the twins.

[Rai-zero]

Originally Posted by NCtoBRZ

Yes. They are both great track cars and any trim level of a current Camaro or Mustang will beat a twin on all but the most technical of tracks. My point is still that they are vastly different driving experiences... you feel the weight and size of muscle cars when driving them, no matter how well they accelerate or stick to the ground. This isn't to bash muscle cars as they have come a long way from their roots as terrible handling, straight line only cars...but again it's just a completely different experience from a lightweight car like the twins.

I agree, price was not a big deal for me, I could have easily gotten a 19 Mustang GT with more that 2x the power and 3x the TQ.

But I specifically didn't want a super fast car. I prefer to be able to use a lot of the performance a lot of the time and on public roads.

And me grew up wanting cars wanting a CRX, Miata, MR2, S2000 (owned), RX-7, Integra, 240SX and such cars with smaller engines. I understand they are not as fast as big engine cars but I am not really caring about going 200 mph.

98% of my driving takes place between 0 and 80 mph and mostly back roads with max speed of 40-50 mph.

I drove my friends 911 turbo when I have my S2000 and on back roads between law enforcement and safety concerns and traffic they can do the same exact speeds and the point is the S2000 was using more of it's limits but 911 turbo was like using the bottom 50% of its capabilities.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Rai-zero

I agree, price was not a big deal for me, I could have easily gotten a 19 Mustang GT with more that 2x the power and 3x the TQ.

But I specifically didn't want a super fast car. I prefer to be able to use a lot of the performance a lot of the time and on public roads.

And me grew up wanting cars wanting a CRX, Miata, MR2, S2000 (owned), RX-7, Integra, 240SX and such cars with smaller engines. I understand they are not as fast as big engine cars but I am not really caring about going 200 mph.

98% of my driving takes place between 0 and 80 mph and mostly back roads with max speed of 40-50 mph.

I drove my friends 911 turbo when I have my S2000 and on back roads between law enforcement and safety concerns and traffic they can do the same exact speeds and the point is the S2000 was using more of it's limits but 911 turbo was like using the bottom 50% of its capabilities.

The nice part about the V6 is that it is quick, but not crazy fast either, so you would be able to use the majority of the power on public roads without getting a felony.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Come'on let's be honest the stock BRZ tS we get here is a street setup at best.

Yep.

[wild03]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The v6 Camaro doesn't require premium fuel like the BRZ does though. Some cost gets negated ....

Seems negligeble as per fuel economy.gov
Cost to Drive 25 Miles $3.54 vs $3.57 on brz

[wild03]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The v6 Camaro doesn't require premium fuel like the BRZ does though. Some cost gets negated ....

Seems negligeble as per fuel economy.gov
Cost to Drive 25 Miles $3.54 vs $3.57 on brz

As per Edmunds MSRP on the v6 starts at $31k without options...not sure if it is a fair comparison.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by wild03

Seems negligeble as per fuel economy.gov
Cost to Drive 25 Miles $3.54 vs $3.57 on brz

As per Edmunds MSRP on the v6 starts at $31k without options...not sure if it is a fair comparison.

I'm confused, the difference between regular fuel and premium is only 3 cents in Florida? In Washington there is a much bigger difference.

MSRP of the V6 ILE is 32,XXX. This thread is about the tS which has a MSRP of 33,XXX.

[Swabodda]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm confused, the difference between regular fuel and premium is only 3 cents in Florida? In Washington there is a much bigger difference.

MSRP of the V6 ILE is 32,XXX. This thread is about the tS which has a MSRP of 33,XXX.

That's the cost to drive 25 miles on regular fuel in the V6 Camaro vs the cost of driving 25 miles on Premium fuel in the 86/BRZ after factoring fuel economy. Better fuel economy on more expensive fuel in the BRZ makes it about even with the lower economy of the Camaro because the Camaro can use cheaper fuel.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Swabodda

That's the cost to drive 25 miles on regular fuel in the V6 Camaro vs the cost of driving 25 miles on Premium fuel in the 86/BRZ after factoring fuel economy. Better fuel economy on more expensive fuel in the BRZ makes it about even with the lower economy of the Camaro because the Camaro can use cheaper fuel.

Thanks, I didn't realize you could plug cars into a website like that.