Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No because:

• It's a Supra in name only
• It is a 2 seater and not a 2+2
• It's more BMW than Toyota
• There are other two seaters I'd rather own than a BMW

Couldn't we say some of the same things about the 86, though? You could swap "86" for "Supra" and "Subaru" for "BMW" in the bullet points that aren't about 2+2 matters and be hearing some of the same things people have grumbled about ever since the 86/GT-86/FT-86/FR-S was released. There are purists/AE86 torch holders who get driven up a wall over the fact that there isn't a Toyota inline-4 in the car that carries the 86 name.

Didn't bother me any, but I have a friend who is exactly that way, and likely will be even more so when it comes to the new Supra.

[HachiRokuX]

Rumor has it that Toyota is doing a few mods to the BMW B58 motor with ex-Yamaha guys. Could be an 86/BRZ situation where the motor is primarily provided by the “rival” company but Toyota makes a few mods (like the direct injection D4S system in FA20).


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

Couldn't we say some of the same things about the 86, though? You could swap "86" for "Supra" and "Subaru" for "BMW" in the bullet points that aren't about 2+2 matters and be hearing some of the same things people have grumbled about ever since the 86/GT-86/FT-86/FR-S was released. There are purists/AE86 torch holders who get driven up a wall over the fact that there isn't a Toyota inline-4 in the car that carries the 86 name.

Didn't bother me any, but I have a friend who is exactly that way, and likely will be even more so when it comes to the new Supra.

Very true.
The only sort of difference is that the 86 was said to be "inspired by" the Levin and Trueno (AE86 was a chassis code not a car model) while the new Supra is supposedly the actual "successor" to the name.

[Overdrive]

I hear ya.....but there was no way they were gonna call this thing a Corolla, lol. I'd love it if they did, but we're never going to see a RWD Corolla again.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

I hear ya.....but there was no way they were gonna call this thing a Corolla, lol. I'd love it if they did, but we're never going to see a RWD Corolla again.

LOL No. No they weren't.
The same way that they are not calling the new Supra a Celica even though that was where it all started.

[WolfpackS2k]

“Looking at the current automotive industry, the talk is all about autonomous driving, electrification and artificial intelligence. What that’s doing is giving rise to a lot of strict regulations, and that limits our capacity to make emotional sports cars; it’s getting much more difficult to do that. So for the fifth point, I think the new Supra will be the last present from Toyota to those who enjoy hearing the pleasing sound of a pure petrol engine at high revs.

Depressing as hell if true. Could mean that the 2nd Gen GT86 will be the last real driver's car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Depressing as hell if true. Could mean that the 2nd Gen GT86 will be the last real driver's car.

Or the second gen 86 will be the first hybrid version and this gen is already the last.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Don't forget the 86 isnt even a Toyota, it's a rebadged Subaru.

I was about to write an angry response, and then I read the context.

Can you put some quotation marks into that?

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or the second gen 86 will be the first hybrid version and this gen is already the last.

Where's that thread discussing how the 86 will become a future collectible?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Where's that thread discussing how the 86 will become a future collectible?

Nah. The market will be flooded by all the guys trading their cars to buy $40K 4 cylinder Supras! The 86s will all just rot away forgotten on dealer lots for the next 30 years.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Don't forget the 86 isnt even a Toyota, it's a rebadged Subaru.

That's a simple statement, for a more complicated situation between Toyota and Subaru

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

That's a simple statement, for a more complicated situation between Toyota and Subaru

More complicated than the situation between BMW and Toyota?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or the second gen 86 will be the first hybrid version and this gen is already the last.

That's kind of how I read it too. We will see I guess.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

That's a simple statement, for a more complicated situation between Toyota and Subaru

Heart of a Subaru,soul of a Toyota.