Base Cayman vs BRZ

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by opposer

What expensive failures can 10year cayman 2.7 have?

IMS bearing. Pre-2009 Caymans and boxters are affected. If it goes, the engine is dead by my limited understanding. Since it's a relatively common cause of cars going to the junkyard, replacing or fixing it is expensive.

There are ways to prevent IMS bearing failure, but I don't know much about them.

[Irace86.2.0]

I would own a Cayman over the BRZ if I could get the 981, but prices are shooting up for these, so it isn't realistic for me. The BRZ is the best for daily and track. I wouldn't track a Cayman because the cost for replacement parts and the pain of servicing that hard to access engine would not be good. That is where the twins have a clear advantage. If I owned a Cayman, I would strip a cheap BRZ to the bones as a track-only car.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Spuds

IMS bearing. Pre-2009 Caymans and boxters are affected. If it goes, the engine is dead by my limited understanding. Since it's a relatively common cause of cars going to the junkyard, replacing or fixing it is expensive.

There are ways to prevent IMS bearing failure, but I don't know much about them.

SEVERELY overblown fear for the IMS. The IMS issue is mostly a 996 and 986 problem. Very, very, very few Caymans are affected. If that's your reason not to get a Cayman, you're just making excuses. Also, the 2.7 liter engine doesn't even have that defect.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I would own a Cayman over the BRZ if I could get the 981, but prices are shooting up for these, so it isn't realistic for me. The BRZ is the best for daily and track. I wouldn't track a Cayman because the cost for replacement parts and the pain of servicing that hard to access engine would not be good. That is where the twins have a clear advantage. If I owned a Cayman, I would strip a cheap BRZ to the bones as a track-only car.

Servicing the engine isn't that difficult. For instance, changing spark plugs is considerably easier to do in the Cayman than the BRZ.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

SEVERELY overblown fear for the IMS. The IMS issue is mostly a 996 and 986 problem. Very, very, very few Caymans are affected. If that's your reason not to get a Cayman, you're just making excuses. Also, the 2.7 liter engine doesn't even have that defect.

Well, the question was what expensive failures could happen. If that's not a problem on the 2.7L, then it seems I was wrong.

[WolfpackS2k]

I mean I'm not naive. There's always a chance the engine in your car could fail (regardless of brand - unless it's a Honda ). And a Porsche engine is very expensive to replace. So that spectre is always hanging around in the background.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I mean I'm not naive. There's always a chance the engine in your car could fail (regardless of brand - unless it's a Honda ). And a Porsche engine is very expensive to replace. So that spectre is always hanging around in the background.

With the exception of their F1 cars for the last few years!


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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Servicing the engine isn't that difficult. For instance, changing spark plugs is considerably easier to do in the Cayman than the BRZ.

I can remove the first spark plug in about fifteen to twenty minutes. They aren’t easy to get to on the twins, but anyone who has done them knows that it isn’t hard. Someone just needs a system. I have small hands, so after removing the injector cover, I can remove the coil and plug pretty quick without lifting the motor or anything the manual decribes.

But I get ya. I’m assuming a mid engine flat six would be a bitch to get access to, but maybe it is easier.

[GrantedTaken]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

I was 5 min from getting a used cayman as my DD. But my round trip commute is 78 miles and the BRZ auto gets 33 mpg. I just felt you blow out miles on a Subie, not a Porsche.
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This was my exact logic.
I was very close on a $27k '09 Cayman (no IMS) with about 40k miles.
Try selling a 100k mile Cayman. You will take it in the nuts.
Went with the BRZ and love it.

[WolfpackS2k]

^^Spark plug access is gained by lifting the vehicle and removing the rear wheels. Most things aren't terribly difficult to access if you remove one or both of the engine access panels. One is behind the seats, the other above the engine. In a few weeks I'm planning to replace the accessory belt and water pump. Never done it before on a Porsche but the online DIY articles lead me to believe it'll be easier than doing the same on my GS-R.

^I'm sitting at 101k miles currently, haha. Purchased car with 56k.

[GrantedTaken]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^^

^I'm sitting at 101k miles currently, haha. Purchased car with 56k.

Love it.
Drive on!

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I mean I'm not naive. There's always a chance the engine in your car could fail (regardless of brand - unless it's a Honda ).

My 2006 TSX was the most expensive cheap car I've (briefly) owned.
-Power steering leak due to poor hose material, dripping P/S fluid all over the exhaust manifold (this was the subject of a recall in the US due to risk of fire, but not Canada)
-VTEC solenoid/gaskets leaking oil
-Not engine-related: worn suspension components clunked over all manner of pavement undulations

I bought it for $6,500CAD, sold it for $2,000 (was relieved to be the fool parted with his money, and that damned car). I'm sure I could've fixed it up, but it was high-mileage, likely abused by previous owners (I was #6 in the line - that should've been my major red flag), and almost certainly would've cost more than it was worth to make it acceptable. I suppose it gave me a taste of old Jaguar-ownership on Honda-money: I enjoyed the sleep deprivation that comes from wondering if my car will start and take me to work the next day.

But my current stable (08 Honda Fit and 03 S2000) have been solid.

[WolfpackS2k]

Yeah, it can happen, esp if abused by previous owners. Still, those weren't really engine problems. More engine accessory.

A leaking VTEC gasket is an incredibly minor issue. At least it would be on my GS-R, which, at 330k miles, has never had a VTEC malfunction of any kind.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Yeah, it can happen, esp if abused by previous owners. Still, those weren't really engine problems. More engine accessory.

A leaking VTEC gasket is an incredibly minor issue. At least it would be on my GS-R, which, at 330k miles, has never had a VTEC malfunction of any kind.

Yeah - a little surprised that the P/S system in Acura/Honda seems to be a common failure point.
My mechanic pointed out that he'd seen a lot of hydraulic-steering Honda/Acura cars with the same problem (this was, sadly, not the mechanic I took the TSX to for a PPI, or else I'd have saved my money and walked away).

I was so looking forward to driving something with hydraulic steering again...

[botbs]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Not satisfied with the supercharger?

You got it right!