Will I be happy with the 86/BRZ?

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by rvoll

The GTI and Civic are not sports cars but are hot hatches. If you want great handling, go for the sports car. If you want to drag from light to light, get a hot hatch. If you want quiet, get a Cadillac or Audi. If you want stability on the highway, get a Mercedes. Decide what you want in a car....

Killed it

[C1Y3R]

I just came from a mk7r and dont regret it at all.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by squelchy451

Has anyone considered selling the car due to the the lack of torque, the stiff ride, and loudness on the highway? I think those would be my only only concerns with the BRZ/86

No, never.
- Lack of torque - Mods
- Stiff ride - Like
- Loudness - No care

Please drive one.
It's not for everyone. Only 8600 of you. Or something like that, right?

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by squelchy451

Hi all, I'm regretting going with a boring car (2017 Mazda3) to replace my 2014 mk6 GTI.

Things I miss from the GTI
1. Sound deadening.
2. Stability on the highway
3. At its best when driven easy, can hold its own when driven hard

It had the best signal-to-noise ratio. Offered feedback where it counts (steering clutch, brakes, suspension, etc) without being jarring or loud.
...

No. You will not want the BRZ.

It is meant to be a loud, simple template for a racecar.

If you want to cross-shop relative to the GTi, you need to look at the STi or WRX instead.

I would personally suggest a used STi.

- brian

[Doubletap]

Originally Posted by HKz

I'm wondering why OP went with a downgrade by going from a GTI to a Mazda3, which doesn't have a Mazdaspeed equivalent for this generation, only to complain about it...shoulda gone with a Civic hatch sport.

Unless, he went with the 2.5L Touring, which is a bit more comparable to a Civic Sport. Also the Mazda has a lot less fake vents.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Doubletap

Unless, he went with the 2.5L Touring, which is a bit more comparable to a Civic Sport. Also the Mazda has a lot less fake vents.

The 2.5 still doesn't compare to that new 1.5 turbo...and I happen to like the looks

either way, OP went from a FI to a NA 4 banger, not sure what he expected to happen after the test drive..

[strat61caster]

OP everything you list is something the FR-S/BRZ is bad at. Go for a test drive but expect it to not be a competitor to the GTI in those areas. The Civic Si seems more up your alley.

Originally Posted by rvoll

The GTI and Civic are not sports cars but are hot hatches.

The Civic Si is not a hatchback.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The Civic Si is not a hatchback.

It's not quite a sedan, either. In the olden days we'd call it a "fastback". I would still include it in the "hot hatch" category even though that is not "technically" correct. Where would you put it?

[Doubletap]

Originally Posted by HKz

The 2.5 still doesn't compare to that new 1.5 turbo...and I happen to like the looks

either way, OP went from a FI to a NA 4 banger, not sure what he expected to happen after the test drive..

Say what? Less than half a second difference in 0-60 "doesn't compare"?

Civic 180 HP/177 ft/lb
Mazda 184 HP / 185 ft/lb

[SuperTom]

If you think a Mazda 3 is loud then no

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Doubletap

Say what? Less than half a second difference in 0-60 "doesn't compare"?

Civic 180 HP/177 ft/lb
Mazda 184 HP / 185 ft/lb

Number doesn't mean everything especailly since he is used to VW Turbos cars where torque come in at super low like around 2k.

I'm sure mazda torque comes in pretty high rpm compare to civic....

[FR-Sky]

This car is not for every one, and that's true.

What I like about this car is when people is braking before a corner, but I can still press the gas pedal.

[squelchy451]

I get that the GTI and BRZ/86 at different things and that I'll be making compromises with either of them. I'll go on test drives, maybe find one on Turo to see if I can see myself with this car on a long term basis.

Thanks all

[Doubletap]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

Number doesn't mean everything especailly since he is used to VW Turbos cars where torque come in at super low like around 2k.

I'm sure mazda torque comes in pretty high rpm compare to civic....

Please don't obfuscate my post. I didn't post the numbers to find some sort of "meaning" or how important they are to the driver, to the car, or life in general.

Please read what I responded to. I posted them to refute the point that the Honda 1.5 Turbo and Mazda 2.5L "don't compare" when clearly, they do. It's as simple as that.