Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I don't watch Nascar anymore (probably been 2 decades now), but don't they use the Mustang and Camaro now? Kinda makes sense why Toyota would ditch the Camry and use a 2-door. It's ugly AF tho. haha

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I don't watch Nascar anymore (probably been 2 decades now), but don't they use the Mustang and Camaro now? Kinda makes sense why Toyota would ditch the Camry and use a 2-door. It's ugly AF tho. haha

Lol this might actually hurt their sales.

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Just wait until we get a quote from a Nascar meat servo saying how fast the Supra is and how excited they are to be operating such a great car. Having never put their meat actuators on a Supra steering wheel of course.

And yes, there are people who actually believe the cars are actually whatever the marketing says, and not a tube chassis with a body kit...

yeah, just like the Super GT, ELMS, ALMS, DTM, and every other race car out there, not much is OEM.

...and I bet the JGR Toyota drivers will all have actual supra's on their driveways.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Lol this might actually hurt their sales.

I think the lack of a MT is going to hurt it more. If anything, nascar will bring the Supra to people who otherwise wouldn't have known about it (let's face it, most people who watch nascar probably aren't going to shop for a Toyota). But once they get to the dealership (or Toyota's website) and find out automatic only, a lot of those people will lose interest.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I think the lack of a MT is going to hurt it more. If anything, nascar will bring the Supra to people who otherwise wouldn't have known about it (let's face it, most people who watch nascar probably aren't going to shop for a Toyota). But once they get to the dealership (or Toyota's website) and find out automatic only, a lot of those people will lose interest.

Put in a good dual clutch trans and I'd buy it. Manual would be great but not a deal breaker for me.

[PuslarBrrrz]

So its fair to say the Supra won't be an exclusive car, more along the lines of Mustang vs idk Cayman I guess.

[LancePower]

Originally Posted by PuslarBrrrz

So its fair to say the Supra won't be an exclusive car, more along the lines of Mustang vs idk Cayman I guess.

Kinda like a Ford Crown Vic LTD.

It was "limited" to whoever wanted to walk into a dealership and buy one.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by PuslarBrrrz

So its fair to say the Supra won't be an exclusive car, more along the lines of Mustang vs idk Cayman I guess.

posted on MKV

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by gymratter

posted on MKV

That's not a dealership tactic at all!!

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

That's not a dealership tactic at all!!

most likely, but either way AutoNews reported that they will make less than 10,000 units a year.

also if Toyota can only sell 18k $25,000 FRS a year, what makes you think they can reach Mustang numbers with a $50k-$60k Supra?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by gymratter

most likely, but either way AutoNews reported that they will make less than 10,000 units a year.

also if Toyota can only sell 18k $25,000 FRS a year, what makes you think they can reach Mustang numbers with a $50k-$60k Supra?

Because it's more like a mustang / Camaro in performance...... I don't know how many they expect to make / sell, but it's obvious if you make a fast car at a somewhat reasonable price they sell.

The frs/brz is not fast nor is it a bargain. It's a super niche vehicle.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by gymratter

most likely, but either way AutoNews reported that they will make less than 10,000 units a year.

also if Toyota can only sell 18k $25,000 FRS a year, what makes you think they can reach Mustang numbers with a $50k-$60k Supra?

Actually Toyota doesn't sell 18,000 FRS/86 units/yr.

6,800 in 2017
7,400 in 2016
10,500 in 2015

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Because it's more like a mustang / Camaro in performance...... I don't know how many they expect to make / sell, but it's obvious if you make a fast car at a somewhat reasonable price they sell.

The frs/brz is not fast nor is it a bargain. It's a super niche vehicle.

well the MKIV was faster and cheaper than a lot of the European competitors and it wasnt a hot seller.

from everything we're hearing the Supra won't be a bargain either.

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

Actually Toyota doesn't sell 18,000 FRS/86 units/yr.

6,800 in 2017
7,400 in 2016
10,500 in 2015

they did with the 1st full year. than it started going down hill after that.

2012: 11,417
2013: 18,327
2014: 14,062
2015: 10,507
2016: 7,457
2017: 6,846

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...on/scion-fr-s/

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by gymratter

they did the 1st full year.

2012: 11,417
2013: 18,327

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...on/scion-fr-s/

True. Wouldn't you want less Supras on the road than twins? Would make it more rare.