The First of Toyota's New GR Performance Line

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

I agree with both of these points! You understood perfectly what I was implying. Why should they bother adding more power when it's already set up very well for 95% of drivers? The numbers game never ends, so you are right to assume people are never happy about a posted result.

Reminds me of back in the late 40s, before the Interstate/Freeway system. Some people wanted more power so they could pass quicker on two lane highways. So, the auto makers gave them larger, more powerful engines. All the drivers did was try to pass in shorter distances …


humfrz

[extrashaky]

I think they should add a trim level with 75 more HP but charge $25K more for it. That would troll the hell out of the whiners.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

So this is only in Japan? The upcoming TRD version sounds better

What TRD version?

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

What TRD version?

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126152

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I think they should add a trim level with 75 more HP but charge $25K more for it. That would troll the hell out of the whiners.

Kind of like the TRD supercharger for the FRS?

Oh wait, that was an extra $50K.

Do I think the car needs more power? No.

Would I sell my 2013 for a new 86 with 15% more HP and a factory warranty (like Mazda just announced for the Miata)? Yes.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Kind of like the TRD supercharger for the FRS?

Oh wait, that was an extra $50K.

Do I think the car needs more power? No.

Would I sell my 2013 for a new 86 with 15% more HP and a factory warranty (like Mazda just announced for the Miata)? Yes.

230 HP is a pretty easy target to hit, for not a lot of money.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

230 HP is a pretty easy target to hit, for not a lot of money.

How?

[NARFALICIOUS]

Isn't 230 (crank)HP basically header, E85, tune ?

[Lantanafrs2]

Yes

[nikitopo]

I thought he said 230hp from factory.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

There will always be a market for models like this. Generally the only time you'll see an increased performance variant is if initial trim offerings are actually slow or unaccomodating of sport. The stock 86 is neither, no matter how much we tell ourselves.

I'm honestly in the small group that hopes they don't come out with a turbo/SC variant. Keep aftermarket alive and don't make people's research/ hard work become crushed with a stock car pushing 240whp that is built for it.

I'm gonna use this opportunity to ask how folks would feel about an "FI Ready" variant. Maybe a factory oil cooler and larger exhaust on top of the brakes, wheels, aero, etc. Maybe goes further to some chassis and suspension upgrades. Stuff FI cars should probably have, but people don't necessarily want to think about.

Not really something I'd be interested in, but it might be appealing to some.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I thought he said 230hp from factory.

Exactly. With a warranty, no problem servicing at nationwide dealership network (I daily drive mine as primary car) and I have to deal with California smog inspection (aftermarket headers will not pass visual inspection).

For a track car - no problem hitting 230 HP.
If not for servicing hassles a couple supercharger options are CARB certified.

But only a factory offering will hit all my requirements.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I'm gonna use this opportunity to ask how folks would feel about an "FI Ready" variant. Maybe a factory oil cooler and larger exhaust on top of the brakes, wheels, aero, etc. Maybe goes further to some chassis and suspension upgrades. Stuff FI cars should probably have, but people don't necessarily want to think about.

Not really something I'd be interested in, but it might be appealing to some.

They would sell a bunch of them if they sold today's basic version of the 86 with Brembo's (or TRD) better suspension and 250 HP. 32K, maybe. Leave all the rest of that stupid shit like "dual zone climate control", butt-ugly carjazzle and the rest in the options catalog where it belongs. It does not even need more power, better brakes and suspension would be enough.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I'm gonna use this opportunity to ask how folks would feel about an "FI Ready" variant. Maybe a factory oil cooler and larger exhaust on top of the brakes, wheels, aero, etc. Maybe goes further to some chassis and suspension upgrades. Stuff FI cars should probably have, but people don't necessarily want to think about.

Not really something I'd be interested in, but it might be appealing to some.

It'd be tough, since anyone going this route is likely to be buying part tailored to the experience they're pursuing. While I think the sentiment is nice, I think people would rather spend less, buy a base model, and build it to their own spec. I'm sure it could be popular though, they could just market it as track spec.