Toyota GT86 CS-CUP tires

[churchx]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

TMG Software - includes flat-foot shift, auto-blip
Exhaust- TMG Motorsport exhaust system with 2 FIA Motorsport catalysers
(Although the cats are not in the header, they're much farther back in the system like a lot of race cars)
- Andrew

If they are downstream O2 sensors, then ecu tune should work just as good on completely catless exhaust. And if it is just "software", then chance of it being just different firmware flashable on stock ecu-s, not something like for Motec

[Spec C Wannabe]

I really wanna see how the TMG header will look like.

[wparsons]

Header:

http://toyota.ricambio.net/site/page...asp&CETAVF=svg

[nikitopo]

I wouldn't bet that much on the TMG cars. They are nice on the one-make racing series here in Germany, but not that successful when racing with other cars in same category. I think that they never managed to get a 1st place position. If you want to build a serious race track car, try to find more information about the Gazoo Racing 86 car. It won twice the Nurburging 24h race in its category (SP3 class). Once in 2012 and another time in 2014.

[churchx]

Hmm, interesting. EL, 4-2-1, long tube runners reusing overpipe part Ace-alike, no flange & no cat. And probably Ace-alike without proper ECU tune won't show full gains. Ace consists of less individual unwelded parts & merge angles are shallower, but still seems closest to design of this (though of course, independent development).

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I wouldn't bet that much on the TMG cars. They are nice on the one-make racing series here in Germany, but not that successful when racing with other cars in same category. I think that they never managed to get a 1st place position. If you want to build a serious race track car, try to find more information about the Gazoo Racing 86 car. It won twice the Nurburging 24h race in its category (SP3 class). Once in 2012 and another time in 2014.

What do you think the Gazoo racing car is based on?
Gazoo Racing = TMG. I would bet that they are near identical in terms of parts.



The TMG cars can run in the SP3 class in N24.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Header:

http://toyota.ricambio.net/site/page...asp&CETAVF=svg

Nice. Reminds me of the ACE Anaconda header

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

What do you think the Gazoo racing car is based on?
Gazoo Racing = TMG. I would bet that they are near identical in terms of parts.



The TMG cars can run in the SP3 class in N24.

Identical parts? Lol. You don't know what you're talking about. The TMG exhaust was made by Bastuck which is based in Germany. The Gazoo Racing cars had a Fujitsubo exhaust. Same with the suspension Bilstein vs. Kyb , the wheels OZ vs. BBS Japan and so on. Do your homework better next time.

[Clipdat]

Simmer down bro.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Clipdat

Simmer down bro.

Okie dokie

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Identical parts? Lol. You don't know what you're talking about. The TMG exhaust was made by Bastuck which is based in Germany. The Gazoo Racing cars had a Fujitsubo exhaust. Same with the suspension Bilstein vs. Kyb , the wheels OZ vs. BBS Japan and so on. Do your homework better next time.

You're right they're totally different. The header back exhaust, wheels and shock totally make it a new vehicle.

[ajh88]

You can take a look at all the parts these cars use and their list prices in euros here: http://toyota.ricambio.net/site/page...=CE_150#CE_150

It'd be fun to build a street version using these parts. Gotta love double adjustable bilsteins and the aero bits. Big fan of the front lip assembly and side skirts. The wheels do look like Ultraleggera and interestingly it appears the cars use wheel spacers.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

You're right they're totally different. The header back exhaust, wheels and shock totally make it a new vehicle.

Check what the Gazoo engineers are saying. Not me

“Our work on the Nürburgring racecar and the 86 GRMN indicated that it was clearly preferable to stiffen up the rear of the vehicle—this was evident from the data as well, and so we implemented this in the Kouki. If the body is strong, it gives us greater freedom for tuning. If you compared the car before and after we made minor adjustments to the car, the difference was so big that you might have thought that the tires had been changed; however, this was purely a result of tuning the body and suspension, which enabled the car to use its tires more effectively.”

The Gazoo racing car they describe was running in 2014 the complete Nurburging track in 09:50 minutes. The TMG cars could not go last year better than 10:15 minutes.


So, yes small changes can make even a big difference. It depends of what you're changing and where you're changing it.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The Gazoo racing car they describe was running in 2014 the complete Nurburging track in 09:50 minutes. The TMG cars could not go last year better than 10:15 minutes.

Same weather? Were those race pace or qualifying laps? A sticky day vs greasy (not even damp or wet) could account for that difference, same with traffic.