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22R · 04-27-2018, 08:41 PM

Hi guys,, I just bought a used Gruppe s ceramic coated header and will be installing with new OEM gaskets in a week or so. Question is do I need the reflective heat shield that goes on the oil pan ? Car is street driven only and not abused. I don't think I will get the oil too hot but will the header blister the paint on the oil pan ? If so I will get one. Any advice appreciated.

22R

coxxoc · 04-27-2018, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 22R

Hi guys,, I just bought a used Gruppe s ceramic coated header and will be installing with new OEM gaskets in a week or so. Question is do I need the reflective heat shield that goes on the oil pan ? Car is street driven only and not abused. I don't think I will get the oil too hot but will the header blister the paint on the oil pan ? If so I will get one. Any advice appreciated.

22R

Plenty of people installed the header both without ceramic coating and before the heat shield was available. You should be just fine for street driving the car.

BirdTRD · 04-27-2018, 09:33 PM

Although I think the Gruppe-S header is shaped slightly different than the Tomei UEL, it still comes pretty close to the oil pan and the thermostat housing. I'd say if you have it and are under there...put it on. I don't think minimizing heat transfer would be a bad thing.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh · 04-27-2018, 10:43 PM

Since it's ceramic coated, I'd say nah

22R · 04-28-2018, 07:35 AM

Thanks guys. I may just put a piece of insulation wrap on it where it passes near the pan with a SS band.

22R

Bkdshadow · 04-28-2018, 07:40 AM

I have a Gruppe-S with the heat shield (uncoated), and oil temps stay around 210 degrees F just driving normally. When I do spirited driving on backroads for a little bit though, it’s not hard for it to reach 240 degrees F

If you don’t drive hard too often I’d say you’d be fine without it, but the less heat the better.

SuperTom · 04-28-2018, 11:49 AM

You don't have to use their insulated piece. You can buy a stick-on roll of the stuff for like $15 and have plenty left over. Its worth the piece of mind

Impureclient · 04-28-2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bkdshadow

I have a Gruppe-S with the heat shield (uncoated), and oil temps stay around 210 degrees F just driving normally. When I do spirited driving on backroads for a little bit though, it’s not hard for it to reach 240 degrees F

If you don’t drive hard too often I’d say you’d be fine without it, but the less heat the better.

I have the heat shield on but I had mine ceramic coated too. My average temp is closer to 203 degrees F and when driving it really hard I get to 220 degrees F.

22R · 04-28-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperTom

You don't have to use their insulated piece. You can buy a stick-on roll of the stuff for like $15 and have plenty left over. Its worth the piece of mind

Thanks ! Where did you buy the roll ?

22R

SuperTom · 04-28-2018, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 22R

Thanks ! Where did you buy the roll ?

22R

A little more expensive then I remembered but plenty to work with. Has a weave layer and a reflective layer

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermo-Tec-...item33e7f024a4

04-27-2018, 08:41 PM	#1
22R 22R Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: 2012 Camry SE 2017 Toyota 86 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 233 Thanks: 234 Thanked 141 Times in 79 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Gruppe S header install question Hi guys,, I just bought a used Gruppe s ceramic coated header and will be installing with new OEM gaskets in a week or so. Question is do I need the reflective heat shield that goes on the oil pan ? Car is street driven only and not abused. I don't think I will get the oil too hot but will the header blister the paint on the oil pan ? If so I will get one. Any advice appreciated. 22R

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StraightOuttaCanadaEh Wes Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: Artisan Spirits '17 86 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,871 Thanks: 1,255 Thanked 1,734 Times in 1,025 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s)	Since it's ceramic coated, I'd say nah __________________ Instagram: @gt86ws

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SuperTom Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: C5, GT-86, '24 Colorado TrailBoss Location: New Castle DE Posts: 1,576 Thanks: 1,682 Thanked 1,049 Times in 582 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s)	You don't have to use their insulated piece. You can buy a stick-on roll of the stuff for like $15 and have plenty left over. Its worth the piece of mind __________________

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22R 22R Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: 2012 Camry SE 2017 Toyota 86 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 233 Thanks: 234 Thanked 141 Times in 79 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Thanks guys. I may just put a piece of insulation wrap on it where it passes near the pan with a SS band. 22R

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Bkdshadow Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Drives: 2013 Scion FRS Location: Virginia Posts: 58 Thanks: 24 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I have a Gruppe-S with the heat shield (uncoated), and oil temps stay around 210 degrees F just driving normally. When I do spirited driving on backroads for a little bit though, it’s not hard for it to reach 240 degrees F If you don’t drive hard too often I’d say you’d be fine without it, but the less heat the better.

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