Best combination of headers and cat back’s

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Which part gutted stock header?
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96235
I see you even posted in this thread.

They gutted both the header and front pipe in that comparison.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by sbmantas

UPDATE

well, i got the news, that my shipping carrier gives me a huuuuge price for shipping to my location and the supercharger is too costly to buy.
Can you give me recommendations how can i make more power without supercharger? Obviously air intakes and headers help, but maybe combination that gives the best output. Tuning will happen here and will be optimised and so on.

Did you check out that sprintex 210 in classifieds on this forum for 2400?

Or if you only want new just get the Intercooled charger and a tune, and work on slowly adding the other peices

But best NA bolt-on setup IMO

Grimmspeed intake, ace header, catless frontpipe, CSG mxp exhaust. Flex fuel kit with a custom ecutek tune for e85. And if charging is really out of the question look at a FD swap once bolt-ons and e85 tune are done.

Best bang for buck setup would be openflash header and Openflash tablet with OTS E85 tune. That’s like 1200$ could toss in Grimmspeed intake all for under 1500$ and have probably 80% of the gains for fraction of price. First setup with out flex fuel and fd swap is about 3500$. 2k for that last 20%

Most ppl prefer bang for buck and run 2nd setup or something similar. It costs $ to be optimal and have the best. Ace headers are the best and highly recommended but cost to benefit ratio they are worse then a few of the other headers like JDL or OFH or even gutted stock header.

[sbmantas]

86TOYO2k17

Ok, so grimmspeed intake would give me spare 6whp and 4tq.
Which Ace header to choose? The price range for them is 1180$ to nearly 2000$.
What about intake manifold spacers? Are they efficient, good and etc?
Abou e85, i will not tune on to that, because although here we have this kind of petrol, however, it is rare in petrol stations and it will be a headache to search for one in foreign countries if i go to a trip somewhere. That is basically the main reason i don’t want it.
I reached out ft86 speedfactory and they recommended also Ace headers, jdl front/over pipe and they ensured me that their ft86 speedfactory exhaust v1 isn’t too loud driving it daily.
And no, i didn't check the sprintex, because the shipping of supercharger will cost me waaaay to much. They told me it would be around 1000$ for the shipping alone + import taxes, so in this case 4k$ supercharger would cost me around 7k$ alone. So in this case, maybe in Europe they will ship me for more realistic price.
OFT header and flash tablet would be suitable for me and it is fair to say that it wouldn't harm my wallet as other combinations and then i could buy OZ superlaggera's and Michelin SS too, so in this case maybe the bang for buck is the answer??

[churchx]

sbmantas:
regarding gains, worth to differentiate gains from part lone upgrade and cumulative gains. For NA some 35-40whp seems about max, and if 90% of those is got via eg. some good catless header+tune+airfilter+E86, there is very little to be had above that with more additional bolt on parts netting only slight gains above that, while they could have brought more gains if being only upgrade.
Which Ace? If you have LHD (most probably, due you being in EU/Lithuania), then A350. A250 or CS400 should be considered for those that have clearance problems with A/350 eg. on RHD cars.
There are noticeable gains for manifold spacers if used with everything else stock, including ecu tune. Much lesser gains with tune. I'd probably spend that money elsewhere then on those spacers, if you are set on getting good headers & tune.
For E85 .. if you go for Ace, very probably you'll go with Ecutek/DeliciousTuning ecu tune. Why not have two switchable tunes, one for normal petrol, one for E85? E85 main advantage is for it being high octane fuel for relatively cheap price (often due eco-subsidies cheaper then petrol, which is offset though with worse fuel mileage). So at very least it's viable alternative to race high octane petrol costing much more.
Regarding FT86SF advise .. they imho hastied a bit. At least there is mistake in that Ace headers have in their construction custom own overpipe (Ace gets longer runners by using also overpipe length for that, making included in set custom overpipe not interchangeable with other vendors' overpipes designed for fitment with stock-like header), so only frontpipe/catback can be used different. But then again, is it really needed if you gain most gains from header & tune? (see above about diminishing returns / NA bolton gains limits / individual parts diminishing gains). I'd probably limit myself to header + filter + tune, would leave stock catted front pipe for passing emission MOT tests and at most think of catback only for better sound, not performance reasons.
Regarding SC. Imho worth considering also Cossworth offering, especially if being in EU.
If you are starting mentioned other but engine bolt-on mods .. then yes, best investment would be camberbolts, LCAs, performance alignment, better tires, better brake pads & fluid, good track instructor and as much trackdays as you can find money/time for. It will make you faster driver then just from some power gain from bolt on mods for same budget .

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by sbmantas

UPDATE

well, i got the news, that my shipping carrier gives me a huuuuge price for shipping to my location and the supercharger is too costly to buy.
Can you give me recommendations how can i make more power without supercharger? Obviously air intakes and headers help, but maybe combination that gives the best output. Tuning will happen here and will be optimised and so on.

BEST output?

Race gas + Ace header + Ace front pipe.

[sbmantas]

Thank you guys! You helped a lot! And yes we have LHD There are like few countries in the world which are RHD why would you considering that Lithuania is RHD?
Really appreciate the help and the recommendations! Can't thank you enough! Now it's my turn to do the math about import taxes and so on. I will write what did i end up with buying

[churchx]

sbmantas: because in online used car listings in Lithuania from time to time i've seen relatively cheap (probably due RHD-ness) imports from UK

[sbmantas]

Churchx:
oh yeah, our country has some issues due people running from here to work abroad. UK is the most popular destination cause of the language. 2nd is Norway and so on. We have really good automotive industry in reselling cars, because we have relatively cheap labour force, low car prices and even germans come to us buy a car, cause the quality is quite good. the most often scenario is that we buy from US or other EU countries crashed cars and rebuild them in a way that it's like brand new. However, i'm not part of this industry but all people in our country knows how it's done. F.e. taking my BRZ into account, i bought it half a year ago. It's 2015, run and drive, front end collision and the whole rebuilding and importing it costed me 8000Eur which in dollars it's around 10,000$. In Germany i would probably sell this car for 16,000eur maybe if i'm lucky 18,000eur which in dollars would be around 20,000$ or 22,000$. So basically the firms buy trashed cars, rebuild them and resell as a perfect condition.
However, i wish we would be RHD, then import from Japan would be so satisfying. My dream car is Nissan r34 gtr, so if we were RHD i would definitely drive this car

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by sbmantas

86TOYO2k17

Ok, so grimmspeed intake would give me spare 6whp and 4tq.
Which Ace header to choose? The price range for them is 1180$ to nearly 2000$.
What about intake manifold spacers? Are they efficient, good and etc?
Abou e85, i will not tune on to that, because although here we have this kind of petrol, however, it is rare in petrol stations and it will be a headache to search for one in foreign countries if i go to a trip somewhere. That is basically the main reason i don’t want it.
I reached out ft86 speedfactory and they recommended also Ace headers, jdl front/over pipe and they ensured me that their ft86 speedfactory exhaust v1 isn’t too loud driving it daily.
And no, i didn't check the sprintex, because the shipping of supercharger will cost me waaaay to much. They told me it would be around 1000$ for the shipping alone + import taxes, so in this case 4k$ supercharger would cost me around 7k$ alone. So in this case, maybe in Europe they will ship me for more realistic price.
OFT header and flash tablet would be suitable for me and it is fair to say that it wouldn't harm my wallet as other combinations and then i could buy OZ superlaggera's and Michelin SS too, so in this case maybe the bang for buck is the answer??

OFH, OFT, grimmspeed intake pretty solid bang for buck. But I would hate for you to feel like you just needed another 10hp to be happy after. And then end up getting better header/tune later.

Have you seen or know what flex fuel kit is? It lets you run Your premium gas when you want and E85 when you want can even mix them and you can have your tunes/maps switch to compensate the different levels of ethanol. It’s probably the best bang for buck upgrade as long as you live and or commute within 15mins of a station. E85 alone is good for another 10hp on top of everything.

However if you insist on not runnin E85, and staying NA for a while, Crawford Power Billet Blocks when tuned properly with other mods can make decent gains.
Shifts the power band down a little. Basically 5-6hp more from 5-6500rpm and 2-3hp less from 6500rpm and up. A good tune can help the gains and lessen the losses though.

As for which ace header, it depends where you want to make the most increased power. Ace 350 (most expensive) has the highest low/mid torque for daily driving and filling in torque dip. Ace 250 has the highest COMBINED torque/hp. Good for mid/upper rpm power. And ace 150 has the lowest low/mid range torque but the highest top end power. 250 type B is 1350 pretty solid deal imo.
Also the ace 400 similar to 350 but even more torque but lower top end is in classifieds for 1250 new in box, could try to negotiate little less.

[sbmantas]

86TOYO2k17

the thing is, probably i will feel the lack of power and i'm not expecting the header, exhaust, air intake or/and oft tablet would do a lot to my brz character. But the time has come to customize and make it more "charactery" which would suit my daily driving and upgrade the overall feeling while driving. Maybe the bang for buck is the answer now and after half a year i will decide to make more changes. Tbh, maybe the supercharger is emotional based thought, that it would make brz the super rocket but maybe i don't really need it right now and i could invest that money elsewhere. I really need to think it through the weekend and meditate on that thought. Don't get me wrong, i love my brz (i hate the torque dip though) and comparing with BMW's i had, i think it's way more "characery", way more fun and has that spiritual animal which makes you go fast through corners So, here it is, maybe it was the signal from universe when my shipping carrier send me the price of transporting the supercharger Well, i think i will get the answer soon Thank you for help! Really appreciate it

[86TOYO2k17]

To over simplify it.
OFT+OFH = 17hp
OFT+OFH+E85 = 25hp
ACE + custom ecutek = 25hp
ACE + custom ecutek + E85 = 35hp
CAI add about 3hp on top of that
And catless frontpipe + catback another 2 on top of that.

[86TOYO2k17]

Also not to overwhelm you but if you don’t go charger. You can get final drive kits from Japan 650$ shipped. Which can make a huge difference doesn’t add power but you will accelerate quicker. That could be the icing on the cake for your NA build.

[KMA KiCKz]

The FT86SpeedFactory catted UEL with the Invidia N1 catback is great for daily driving for me. Some loudness and rumble but not too much. If you do go forced induction, I believe you would need to have a complete new exhaust set up but I'm not entirely sure.

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FT86SpeedFactory is my go-to place for parts. Great customer service and fast shipping!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

To over simplify it.
OFT+OFH = 17hp
OFT+OFH+E85 = 25hp
ACE + custom ecutek = 25hp
ACE + custom ecutek + E85 = 35hp
CAI add about 3hp on top of that
And catless frontpipe + catback another 2 on top of that.

Note the % increases, which are more accurate, relatively, than just hp numbers.

Note that the OFT dyno baseline is much higher than the DT dyno baseline, which is why the relative reading is much more important.

All dynos are on a 2017.