Whiteline Performance

[86drift]

I finally got around to going for a decent drive with the Whiteline gear installed.

When you push hard in the standard car the suspension and tyre run out of talent at roughly the same time. The front outer tyre loads up and starts to scrub as the shocks compress and sit on the bump stops.

With the front and rear bars set in their neutral positions the spring rates are effectively increased. This, with the increased castor and neg camber increases the limits of what the suspension can handle. Cornering speed is increased and now the main limiting factor is the tyres. Once I get wider stickier tyres I can harden both the front and rear bars because they're adjustable

In terms of normal driving there isn't a noticeable increase in road noise from the stiffer strut tops. The suspension does feel stiffer over bumps but it still remains composed.

It's definitely upgrades I'll be recommending to my customers.

Rear bushes:


Rear bar adjustment:

[Silverdub]

So when are all the parts comming out?

[86drift]

Originally Posted by Silverdub

So when are all the parts comming out?

ATM they're saying 6-8 weeks.

I'll do my best to keep everyone informed. I'm just as keen as you are

Random pic from Whiteline HQ:

[spiller]

awesome mate. watching this with a keen eye. so what exactly has your car had thrown at it at this point in time? id really like the methodically change suspension components that will improve handling rather than just throw parts at the car so your insights are helpful.

[86drift]

Originally Posted by spiller

awesome mate. watching this with a keen eye. so what exactly has your car had thrown at it at this point in time? id really like the methodically change suspension components that will improve handling rather than just throw parts at the car so your insights are helpful.

I'm of the same opinion. I'll add one part after another to ensure that I'm actually improving things.

Current the 86 is fitted with 20mm front bar, 16mm rear bar, rear pineapples, front camber bolts and front strut tops. What I found interesting is that they are sure they can improve the handling even more.

Hope they don't mind me mentioning it...but they're looking at making billet lower rear arms :-)

[86design]

could you send me a price for those rear camber kit for the BRZ please when there for sale i'm very very interested!

[spiller]

Originally Posted by 86drift

I'm of the same opinion. I'll add one part after another to ensure that I'm actually improving things.

Current the 86 is fitted with 20mm front bar, 16mm rear bar, rear pineapples, front camber bolts and front strut tops. What I found interesting is that they are sure they can improve the handling even more.

Hope they don't mind me mentioning it...but they're looking at making billet lower rear arms :-)

very interesting indeed. so you are still using the stock bushes. im quite prepared to upgrade the sway bars and will probably go with whiteline because i prefer local products where we can keep track of the R&D. What were the rear pinaples for? Do these cars have a floating rear subframe?

[86drift]

Originally Posted by 86design

could you send me a price for those rear camber kit for the BRZ please when there for sale i'm very very interested!

PM sent.

Originally Posted by spiller

very interesting indeed. so you are still using the stock bushes. im quite prepared to upgrade the sway bars and will probably go with whiteline because i prefer local products where we can keep track of the R&D. What were the rear pinaples for? Do these cars have a floating rear subframe?

Yeh, ATM it still has the standard bushes. That will likely change in the coming weeks. I'd like to play with the rear camber settings.

The rear pineapples are inserts that fit into the standard subframe bushes. It's a cheap and easy way to stiffen up the rear end and stop it walking side to side.

explaining them.

[spiller]

oh yeah thats what I thought, thanks for the video. Are they planning on doing anything like that for the front subframe or is it not as much of an issue? (thinking for people who dont necessarily want to drift).

[86drift]

Originally Posted by spiller

oh yeah thats what I thought, thanks for the video. Are they planning on doing anything like that for the front subframe or is it not as much of an issue? (thinking for people who dont necessarily want to drift).

The front suspension attaches to a crossmember which is attached to the chassis, with no bushes between. But they will make a poly bush to replace the rubber front control arm bush. I'll let you know when it's available.

[Ben_G]

Originally Posted by 86drift

PM sent.



Yeh, ATM it still has the standard bushes. That will likely change in the coming weeks. I'd like to play with the rear camber settings.

The rear pineapples are inserts that fit into the standard subframe bushes. It's a cheap and easy way to stiffen up the rear end and stop it walking side to side.

explaining them.

So this may be a stupid question, but doesn't putting in these inserts effectively RAISE the car? Not a lot, but nonetheless, would be an increase in ride height, no?

[86drift]

Originally Posted by Ben_G

So this may be a stupid question, but doesn't putting in these inserts effectively RAISE the car? Not a lot, but nonetheless, would be an increase in ride height, no?

No. Ride height and alignment stay the same. They are inserts the fit into the gap in the standard bushes.

I would think if you lowered the subframe you would change the rear suspension geometry but not the ride height. Things like camber/caster change on bump. The height is determined mainly be the suspension uprights. Sure to be corrected if I'm wrong.

[Ben_G]

Originally Posted by 86drift

No. Ride height and alignment stay the same. They are inserts the fit into the gap in the standard bushes.

I would think if you lowered the subframe you would change the rear suspension geometry but not the ride height. Things like camber/caster change on bump. The height is determined mainly be the suspension uprights. Sure to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Hmmm..... will need to look more... but it would seem that if we can see the yellow pieces between the sub-frame and the body, then the distance between the two would have changed since you're adding something, not replacing something.

Trying to scour the whiteline site now to see if they have anything about this....

EDIT - So after some quick searching, it seems that the consensus is that ride height doesn't change because the subframe is effectively "hung" from the chassis.... which i still can't picture in my mind, since I can only image that the body sits on the subframe.... either way, not a big deal.... Thanks for the quick response earlier....

[spiller]

@Ben_G these inserts will not change the height of the subframe in relation to the chassis because the car has a floating rear subframe. basically a small steel insert in a large rubber bush but only the small insert meets with the body, not the bush itself. So effectively these inserts are bringing a larger surface area of at the mounting points into contact with the subframe which reduces wiggle. Its difficult to explain but i hope that makes it a bit easier to understand.

@86drift so the front crossmember is solid mounted to the chassis? How is it attached?