Next Gen BRZ/86!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

It's not rocket surgery, but all these are new developments

Really, these are very minor changes...

and don't forget the new engine does not use the D4S system. Should they use this technology or not?

I wouldn't think there's much if anything in the mechanical design of the engine that should prevent or hinder implementation of D4S. Nothing about the bottom end should affect it. If Ascent's cylinder heads are different then go with an evolution of the FA20's heads.

All that said, I will not be surprised if they stick with the 2.0. But a 2.4 with minor tweaks would be sweeet...

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by ZDan

All that said, I will not be surprised if they stick with the 2.0. But a 2.4 with minor tweaks would be sweet...

I agree.

[wbradley]

D4S depends on if Toyota is on board. If they're not, probably no twin.

WE are lucky to have the Lexus dual injection in our cheap sports cars.

[tehShirt]

[Yoshoobaroo]

A NA version of the FA24 is my bet. 12.5/1-13/1 CR, ~7400 RPM redline and PI/DI. 245hp 185lb*ft, maybe 200 lb*ft if they use a variable runner length intake manifold.


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[mrg666]

Toyota and Subaru will part their ways. Toyota will go with Supra only. New Subaru BRZ will be a faster one with >$40K sticker. Let's see if Jalopnik will pick this up.

[Windycitystig]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Toyota and Subaru will part their ways. Toyota will go with Supra only. New Subaru BRZ will be a faster one with >$40K sticker. Let's see if Jalopnik will pick this up.

Yup

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Toyota and Subaru will part their ways. Toyota will go with Supra only. New Subaru BRZ will be a faster one with >$40K sticker. Let's see if Jalopnik will pick this up.

While I agree potentially with this, sales for the 86 in 2017 in the U.S. was 6846 while the BRZ was only 4131. As a comparison, the Toyota Camry sold 387,081 units in the U.S. And the Outback sold 188,186 units. Thus, it makes total sense that Toyota and Subaru will part ways. Toyota sales for the 86 so far this year have really gone down the tubes (technical term) even more than the BRZ. Toyota is not pushing the 86 and if you compare the features of the 86 versus the BRZ this year, you'll see that Toyota didn't put any effort into the yearly update. For example, the new BRZ has Android Auto/Carplay and the Toyota doesn't. When I went to the Toyota dealership to look at the 86 just a month ago, they were not even aware (and this is the new car manager) of the 86 GT model. They didn't even have any literature on it and had to call the region hq.

So the big issue here is what Subaru is going to do with the BRZ. My guess is that it will be a minor update to compete better with the MX-5, i.e., a little sleeker design, more amenities, more sound deadening, some engine enhancements, but no major structural or driveline changes.

[nikitopo]

Sometimes I believe that both companies are using the internet to create some discussion about the platform. They say that there is no smoke without fire and all these discussions might reflect ideas that are flying now internally. They said many times that they want to listen the users over all the world. If they could go with a bigger NA engine, it would give them an advantage that others don't have. It is a rarity to offer nowadays an NA engine. If they could push the 2.4lt in the 240-250hp range, then they would have a BIG advantage. However, I think that there isn't any decision yet.

[himbo]

Originally Posted by rvoll

While I agree potentially with this, sales for the 86 in 2017 in the U.S. was 6846 while the BRZ was only 4131. As a comparison, the Toyota Camry sold 387,081 units in the U.S. And the Outback sold 188,186 units. Thus, it makes total sense that Toyota and Subaru will part ways. Toyota sales for the 86 so far this year have really gone down the tubes (technical term) even more than the BRZ. Toyota is not pushing the 86 and if you compare the features of the 86 versus the BRZ this year, you'll see that Toyota didn't put any effort into the yearly update. For example, the new BRZ has Android Auto/Carplay and the Toyota doesn't. When I went to the Toyota dealership to look at the 86 just a month ago, they were not even aware (and this is the new car manager) of the 86 GT model. They didn't even have any literature on it and had to call the region hq.

So the big issue here is what Subaru is going to do with the BRZ. My guess is that it will be a minor update to compete better with the MX-5, i.e., a little sleeker design, more amenities, more sound deadening, some engine enhancements, but no major structural or driveline changes.

A niche car like this was never intended to be sold in high numbers - though for what this car is, the numbers are solid. Lots of part-sharing between the two brands is how the brands can actually make money off them.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by himbo

A niche car like this was never intended to be sold in high numbers - though for what this car is, the numbers are solid. Lots of part-sharing between the two brands is how the brands can actually make money off them.

And the R&D that went into it also leads to parts for their high production number cars. The new Impreza using the BRZ steering is a great example of that.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Toyota and Subaru will part their ways. Toyota will go with Supra only. New Subaru BRZ will be a faster one with >$40K sticker. Let's see if Jalopnik will pick this up.

If they are going to pick that up please make the rumor be an H6 for the BRZ

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

If they are going to pick that up please make the rumor be an H6 for the BRZ

OH COME ON DON'T DO THAT! DON'T MAKE ME WISH FOR THAT KNOWING IT WON'T HAPPEN!


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[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

OH COME ON DON'T DO THAT! DON'T MAKE ME WISH FOR THAT KNOWING IT WON'T HAPPEN!


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