Spec Twin?

[strat61caster]

Or run in a noncompete/fun class at the same time as SSC so you can just benchmark yourself.

[snoxracer183]

You better be on the spec Falkens, and the spec size before you even consider asking as well. At locals i'd probably be considered the classing Nazi. I feel getting new people to understand and be in the correct class is the only way to set a good example of how to progress in the sport.

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by snoxracer183

You better be on the spec Falkens, and the spec size before you even consider asking as well. At locals i'd probably be considered the classing Nazi. I feel getting new people to understand and be in the correct class is the only way to set a good example of how to progress in the sport.

In short, I don't disagree and I like this class, SSC, for not having to worry about anything other than getting it setup -- all or nothing (now that I fully get the intent and rules for this class).

I don't know how to say it correctly... but being brow beat into SM or some other class always made it hard to retain novices I was instructing. Once again, I understand WHY we do it. It is just not very socially friendly.

Not the point of this thread. I get it. Just makes me glad I was around to experience The Subaru Challenge first.

[Imp]

And also let me pose this to sniffpetrol...


Why would you even WANJT to run these Falkens, and not something better? The spec tires are not cream of the crop street tires. They're a compromise tire... If you wanted to get the most from your buck, these tires are not it. Ergo, another case against running your car in SSC, I'd go with different tires unless you HAD all the suspension stuff that will allow us to get better performance out of these marginal tires...


--kC

[steverife]

I don't have a car yet, but I'm collecting parts...

1) If I wanted complete stock assemblies as well as complete SSC assemblies, what parts does the SSC kit not take care of? Definitely tophats, but what else? Dust boots? Do you reuse the OEM isolator and spring mount pieces?

2) Anybody plan on running the car in a PAX class this year? I don't anticipate anyone else local running/prepping an SSC car and I don't love the idea of pretty much being guaranteed last in "Pro" every event.

3) Does running without TPMS cause any issues with traction control and whatnot? I used the search and got a lot of debate between "pedal dance" or "just hold the button", but not a lot of definitive info.

[tony_r]

Originally Posted by Imp

Why would you even WANT to run these Falkens, and not something better?

Yeah, this actually. Falkens are cheap and that's fine, but I would much rather run the top tier 200tw in some other class if I didn't have the SSC kit. The car is much more fun that way, stock or otherwise.

We have a local running on a 17x8 in DS, and they talked to their competitors to make sure it's OK. Run that route before you make the jump to SSC. When you get the full kit, grab some of the Falkens and then jump in.

[tony_r]

Originally Posted by steverife

1) If I wanted complete stock assemblies as well as complete SSC assemblies, what parts does the SSC kit not take care of? Definitely tophats, but what else? Dust boots? Do you reuse the OEM isolator and spring mount pieces?

Will need the tophat/rubber isolator on all 4 corners. The Eibach springs come with 2 dust boots and 4 bumpstops, so you'll need at least 2 dust boots to complete.

Originally Posted by steverife

2) Anybody plan on running the car in a PAX class this year? I don't anticipate anyone else local running/prepping an SSC car and I don't love the idea of pretty much being guaranteed last in "Pro" every event.

I think I've said this a lot of places but prepared to get mega-wrecked in PAX. I dropped 20-ish places from last year.

Originally Posted by steverife

3) Does running without TPMS cause any issues with traction control and whatnot? I used the search and got a lot of debate between "pedal dance" or "just hold the button", but not a lot of definitive info.

Not that I know of or have experienced. It seems to me that the pedal dance might be better for the left foot or excessive trail-brake crowd? I've never had an issue with the "just hold the button" method.

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by steverife

I don't have a car yet, but I'm collecting parts...

1) If I wanted complete stock assemblies as well as complete SSC assemblies, what parts does the SSC kit not take care of? Definitely tophats, but what else? Dust boots? Do you reuse the OEM isolator and spring mount pieces?

2) Anybody plan on running the car in a PAX class this year? I don't anticipate anyone else local running/prepping an SSC car and I don't love the idea of pretty much being guaranteed last in "Pro" every event.

3) Does running without TPMS cause any issues with traction control and whatnot? I used the search and got a lot of debate between "pedal dance" or "just hold the button", but not a lot of definitive info.

1) Everything on the suspension not replaced by the SSC parts is reused stock parts.

2) I do. I just let some of my benchmark drivers run the car after I got the falkens to "reset" the metrics. The PAX is brutal, but I have some good reference points now for when I am on (or off) the pace.

3)No issues beyond the annoying dash light.

[TrqlessWonder]

Originally Posted by steverife

I don't have a car yet, but I'm collecting parts...

3) Does running without TPMS cause any issues with traction control and whatnot? I used the search and got a lot of debate between "pedal dance" or "just hold the button", but not a lot of definitive info.

No TPMS interference at all. As a side note, the car will pick up the sensors 15-20 miles away, all summer long.

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by SCCA

SSC Virtual Town Hall Tonight - Register Now!!

There has been a lot of buzz in the Solo community about the new Solo Spec Coupe class. To find out what all the hubbub is about, join the SSC Virtual Town Hall starting at 8 p.m. Eastern Time tonight -- Thursday, February 22. Register for this live event at https://register.gotowebinar.com/reg...60724098596355.

During the SSC Virtual Town Hall, competitors will have the opportunity to ask questions and hear from representatives from Tire Rack, KONI Shock Absorbers, SPC Performance and more. The Conversation will be geared towards SSC competitors, but it's open to all SCCA members.

If you are interested.

[Imp]

Notes as they come up from the Town Hall.... (I'll edit this post as they happen)

1) SSC does not build on street rules, redacted from initial press release.
2) Items not for consideration in future: Seats, headers, lightweight battery and sport cats
3) Tunes.... 25 yes/ 30 no / 34 maybe. If you have a comment for or against, write in.
4) Don't install offset bushing.
5) Investigating rear end links if they should allow. (not sure if a problem yet... wait and see, know the issue and will watch and advise)
6) No doing model year updates/conversions (like using pieces from a series.blue on your car). You have to have the car.
7) Crash bolts, factory authorized, are allow.
8) Cannot interchange between subaru and toyota parts
9) Wheels from Tire rack will be at least 17lbs (before weights, caps, tpms sensors) whereas other wheels can be slightly under and use TPMS, weights, caps to bring them over 17 lbs.
10) wheel weight at 17 lbs was done to limit the cost for unobtanium prices for lighter wheels, yet allow a great selection still.
11) shocks legal for street class, but need a different specific part to make the camber adjust hole oem sized. contact koni for the part.
12) It takes about 10-15min per damper to calibrate and check for compliance in SSC.
13) How often do the konis need to be serviced? Exact same shock internally as the street car shock, expect to be 100k miles. If they feel funny, or adjuster no longer works, koni can fix.
14) All production of these shocks are coming into the US for work...
15) More wheels are coming to TR by April (hopefully).
16) If you use spacers, you need new studs.
17) Gave a history of how it came about.
18) The way the shocks are sealed, and such, if the shocks die, not rebuildable... will not open them up to adjust or tweak internally. Must be replaced with a new certified unit.
19) The tire like it to be cooler (per falken).
20) Pretty equal on concrete/asphalt... around 30psi
21) 1 year commitment with Falken. Already working towards continuation.
22) Decision to use Falkens were on the SCCA business side, not SEB/rules side.
23) Eibach kinda broken up... happy to be here.
24) Can get alignment advice from SPC and talk to tech guys.
25) Big possibility the class may be a national class for 2018... not a promise or done deal. Participation and commitment needs to continue.
26) Solo Safety steward and Junior steward webinars will be coming soon. Contact Doug Gill.


Also: another take on the TH here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Autocross/c...l_live_thread/

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by Imp

8) Cannot interchange between subaru and toyota parts

I don't remember this. Was this in context of contingency?

[Twinz]

They mentioned considering the 2017+ models for the class. The gearing would probably introduce course-dependency and I think that goes against the "all about the driver" element of the class.

[JakeRogue]

Originally Posted by Imp

Notes as they come up from the Town Hall.... (I'll edit this post as they happen)

1) SSC does not build on street rules, redacted from initial press release.
2) Items not for consideration in future: Seats, headers, lightweight battery and sport cats
3) Tunes.... 25 yes/ 30 no / 34 maybe. If you have a comment for or against, write in.
4) Don't install offset bushing.
5) Investigating rear end links if they should allow. (not sure if a problem yet... wait and see, know the issue and will watch and advise)
6) No doing model year updates/conversions (like using pieces from a series.blue on your car). You have to have the car.
7) Crash bolts, factory authorized, are allow.
8) Cannot interchange between subaru and toyota parts
9) Wheels from Tire rack will be at least 17lbs (before weights, caps, tpms sensors) whereas other wheels can be slightly under and use TPMS, weights, caps to bring them over 17 lbs.
10) wheel weight at 17 lbs was done to limit the cost for unobtanium prices for lighter wheels, yet allow a great selection still.
11) shocks legal for street class, but need a different specific part to make the camber adjust hole oem sized. contact koni for the part.
12) It takes about 10-15min per damper to calibrate and check for compliance in SSC.
13) How often do the konis need to be serviced? Exact same shock internally as the street car shock, expect to be 100k miles. If they feel funny, or adjuster no longer works, koni can fix.
14) All production of these shocks are coming into the US for work...
15) More wheels are coming to TR by April (hopefully).
16) If you use spacers, you need new studs.
17) Gave a history of how it came about.
18) The way the shocks are sealed, and such, if the shocks die, not rebuildable... will not open them up to adjust or tweak internally. Must be replaced with a new certified unit.
19) The tire like it to be cooler (per falken).
20) Pretty equal on concrete/asphalt... around 30psi
21) 1 year commitment with Falken. Already working towards continuation.
22) Decision to use Falkens were on the SCCA business side, not SEB/rules side.
23) Eibach kinda broken up... happy to be here.
24) Can get alignment advice from SPC and talk to tech guys.
25) Big possibility the class may be a national class for 2018... not a promise or done deal. Participation and commitment needs to continue.
26) Solo Safety steward and Junior steward webinars will be coming soon. Contact Doug Gill.


Also: another take on the TH here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Autocross/c...l_live_thread/

Thanks so much!!


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