Transmission shifting when cold?

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya. Sure.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

[Ultramaroon]

Ok, non-fanboi good enthusiasts, lets get back on topic. Instead of just bitching about the 2 minutes of *cough* problems with a cold transmission, tell us exactly why it happens and how to instruct the engineers to fix it. As any decent manager would say, "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions."

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Ok, non-fanboi good enthusiasts, lets get back on topic. Instead of just bitching about the 2 minutes of *cough* problems with a cold transmission, tell us exactly why it happens and how to instruct the engineers to fix it. As any decent manager would say, "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions."

While meeting all government mandated emission controls, mileage requirement and carbon credits and staying within the allotted budget.

[VoltsFRS2013]

I can say its the same way in the auto as well, its extremely obnoxious. I've gotten in the habit with just letting the car sit and warm up for 5-10 minutes before I drive. For the first 5/10 minutes i'm on the road i dont even touch the paddles.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

I can say its the same way in the auto as well, its extremely obnoxious. I've gotten in the habit with just letting the car sit and warm up for 5-10 minutes before I drive. For the first 5/10 minutes i'm on the road i dont even touch the paddles.

I don't know how I would adapt my behavior for cold operation of an AT, or if that's even possible. After studying this transmission and visualizing its operation, I can feel and indeed appreciate all its nuanced feedback.

I enjoy the hell out of the fingertip shift into second on a crisp, zero degree morning.

IMHO, that's how any machine should be handled.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by gtengr

No one is crying. It's just annoying to watch people defend a negative characteristic and suggest we should either pretend it's not there or buy a different car if we don't like it. Both of those ideas are ignorant. I bought the car because it's a great platform. The torque dip is just one more thing to fix. Maybe the Camry forum or some other non-enthusiast forum would be more appropriate for these apologist perspectives, because it's comical from an enthusiast's perspective.



That's easy. Look at pretty much any BMW M engine ever for starters. What would be difficult is for you to show a modern sports car with a torque dip as severe as the FA20.

..it isn't being apologetic, it is being reasonable, we all know the 86 is "slow" (relative to america)..but show me a muscle car forum where folks are crying in every thread about how their muscle car doesn't have the handling ability of a miata. pretty amazing how the twin's power manages to come up in nearly every thread on this forum

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I don't know how I would adapt my behavior for cold operation of an AT, or if that's even possible. After studying this transmission and visualizing its operation, I can feel and indeed appreciate all its nuanced feedback.

I enjoy the hell out of the fingertip shift into second on a crisp, zero degree morning.

IMHO, that's how any machine should be handled.

I actually prefer rough shifts.. even in the auto. Part of me knows its not good and I should just let the transmission warm up before I bang it around. It's impressive how good the automatic transmission has treated me. for not being at the level of a Porsche PDK I think for the price you pay its the best experience you can get using paddles in terms of shift time and how clean the shifts are. BUT, rough shifts are entertaining.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

I actually prefer rough shifts.. even in the auto. Part of me knows its not good and I should just let the transmission warm up before I bang it around. It's impressive how good the automatic transmission has treated me. for not being at the level of a Porsche PDK I think for the price you pay its the best experience you can get using paddles in terms of shift time and how clean the shifts are. BUT, rough shifts are entertaining.

Is it smoother in normal mode?

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Is it smoother in normal mode?

It is (i think.) i spend most of my car diving in manual but in normal im never really pushing it.


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[gtengr]

Originally Posted by HKz

..it isn't being apologetic, it is being reasonable, we all know the 86 is "slow" (relative to america)..but show me a muscle car forum where folks are crying in every thread about how their muscle car doesn't have the handling ability of a miata.

Weight is a huge physical barrier to a Mustang ever handling like a Miata, so the "you bought the wrong car" spiel is actually relevant if someone complained about their Mustang not handling like a Miata. It's far more expensive, complex, and compromising to drop +600 lbs off a Mustang than it is to add 100 rwhp to an 86.

[Zentec]

I don’t know about any one else but I bought this car because it is an high reving, high compression, N/A,light weight, MT, FR layout car. I love the trq dip why because I never experance it plan and simple. I have not modded my car and I don’t need to. I am not an arm chair/internet expert. I’m sorry but I don’t think most people under stand that there is a difference in economy and performance N/A engine or at least they are getting them confused. The basis of performance N/A is you REV IT HIGH to produce its power. If your experaning trq dip from 1-4k rpm. So is every other pump gas engine out there. You should look at why hp and trq meet at 5k rpm. FI factory tuned cars don’t generally start spinning turbines till around 3krpm. So boost will come in later hence turbo lag. The advantage of turbo is you get trq sooner and then comes the higher top end hp. This means if your all about trq and max hp you would be more happy with an turbo car. I’m the other end. I love the sound and direct response of the N/A engine. I love reving the engine to redline that’s where it makes its power and can do so effectively before the gas shutoff then shifting gears and revmatch for that gear and speed smooth as silk. I love the burst of speed and power I get from properly driving an N/A. It Doesn’t matter to me if I’m in town on highway or having fun at the track or carving mountains.
The gearing and f/d in the 17s transmission are improved. It’s not as short as my 02 s2k was but it is smoother.
Do I think it needs more power yes and that’s only because I want to see this engine platform compete and surpass the s2k for being a high reving car under 35-40k. Mind you ours cost 25k. So we’re close. I do believe that we could get up to the 8k rpm and 220-240hp from factory but it will take a lot mor r&d for it to be reliable to factory standards.
Just my 2 cents.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

It is (i think.) i spend most of my car diving in manual but in normal im never really pushing it.

I think it comes down to learning to wiggle inside any machine's comfort zone. That's where the magic is.

Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one fills up first?

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I think it comes down to learning to wiggle inside any machine's comfort zone. That's where the magic is.

Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Which one fills up first?

For sure, some shifts it is so crisp, but occasionally you have those dogshit shifts where it feels like hell


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[Aluma007]

oh wow, wish I would have read this thread two weeks ago...I test drove a PP in 40degree weather, first time in a manual brz too. 1st and 2nd wouldnt work, hard to get into gear or downshift. I couldnt figure out what was wrong with the car, thought the dealership had messed up the car in a test drive or something. Walked away from even asking about the price. Yesterday I drove a wrx in similar weather and i was very surprised at how easy the shifts went in...might have to go back and give it another go with the car warmed up a it.