Transmission shifting when cold?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Pat

Well I don't think the issue is resolved if it takes an adjustment to the driver. That's what we call a work around. I say we should look at the root cause and address that, which is clearly not the driver.

The transmission is not going to change.

And I don't call it a workaround. I call it learning how to drive.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The transmission is not going to change.

And I don't call it a workaround. I call it learning how to drive.

Ehh, its more like learning how to adapt. Unfair to imply someone doesn't know how to drive just because theyre not used to these "quirks"

That being said, I've gotten kind of used to it, but its still annoying on some groggy mornings. Heavy shift knob also definitely helps lol.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The transmission is not going to change.

And I don't call it a workaround. I call it learning how to drive.

You are right. The transmission is not going to change. That doesn't change the fact the transmission is the problem.
If a professional driver has trouble shifting this transmission, do you think that driver just needs to "learn how to drive"?
I'm quite confident I know how to drive, as do other BRZ owners I know. Yet we all have problems with the tranny at some point.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

My Cooper S tranny was absolutely brilliant compared to the piece of crap in our cars. Never had hot shifting or cold shifting issues, or any issues. Could get into any gear at any time, provided I blipped the throttle as needed. Having experienced that level of perfection, I have to say it feels a bit crappy having to get used to this poorly engineered and seemingly haphazardly thrown together transmission.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

My Cooper S tranny was absolutely brilliant compared to the piece of crap in our cars. Never had hot shifting or cold shifting issues, or any issues. Could get into any gear at any time, provided I blipped the throttle as needed. Having experienced that level of perfection, I have to say it feels a bit crappy having to get used to this poorly engineered and seemingly haphazardly thrown together transmission.

If our transmission was in an Alfa it would be described as character. As it's in Japanese machine it's described as 'crap'. Poor car..

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Pat

You are right. The transmission is not going to change. That doesn't change the fact the transmission is the problem.
If a professional driver has trouble shifting this transmission, do you think that driver just needs to "learn how to drive"?

Yes. I don't just think it. I clearly said it.

Originally Posted by Pat

I'm quite confident I know how to drive, as do other BRZ owners I know. Yet we all have problems with the tranny at some point.

I have no trouble with this transmission. I know exactly what is happening when it's cold and I deal with it.

Do those same professional drivers complain to tire manufacturers about the lack of traction when their tires are cold?

It's not just this transmission. All manuals sharing a couple key characteristics behave exactly the same way. There is no 'fix.'

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Ehh, its more like learning how to adapt. Unfair to imply someone doesn't know how to drive just because theyre not used to these "quirks"

That being said, I've gotten kind of used to it, but its still annoying on some groggy mornings. Heavy shift knob also definitely helps lol.

Adapting isn't the same as understanding which, although I didn't state clearly, is really what I meant when I said "learning."

I'll change it to "understanding how to drive with this transmission."

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tonezorz

Not an issue of speed shifting, but for my NC at least it was an issue of 2nd being inaccessible.

Did your NC have a 5 speed or 6 speed MT ..??

I never had a problem shifting my 2006 5 speed Miata transmission ......


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Yes. I don't just think it. I clearly said it.


I have no trouble with this transmission. I know exactly what is happening when it's cold and I deal with it.

Do those same professional drivers complain to tire manufacturers about the lack of traction when their tires are cold?

It's not just this transmission. All manuals sharing a couple key characteristics behave exactly the same way. There is no 'fix.'

Same here. I came from a Miata 5 speed to my FR-S 6 speed MT.

I never had (have had) a problem shifting with either one.

The only thing I had to "learn", in making the transition, is that now I have ...... one more gear ......


humfrz

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I know exactly what is happening when it's cold and I deal with it.

Deal with what? There's nothing to deal with if the transmission works as it should, right?

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by JD001

If our transmission was in an Alfa it would be described as character. As it's in Japanese machine it's described as 'crap'. Poor car..

yeah in the 80s lol. We're talking about a toyota (beacon of reliability and user friendliness) released in 2017.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

There is no 'fix.'

There is a fix, it's called 'compromise'

And it leaves everybody unhappy.

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

My Cooper S tranny was absolutely brilliant compared to the piece of crap in our cars.

Which gen? The F56 one is crap, the knob has come off in my hands three times on course and it's vaguer than a passive aggressive lover.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Which gen?

R56, so second gen

[JD001]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

yeah in the 80s lol. We're talking about a toyota (beacon of reliability and user friendliness) released in 2017.

You mean a Subaru??