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Old 12-26-2017, 12:06 PM   #29
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It's completely subjective. If it bothers someone there's no need to live with it just because someone else thinks they should ignore it's there.
Read my whole paragraph, thanks dude.

I have complete exhaust/intake setup with tune myself if that answers your question.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:09 PM   #30
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Read my whole paragraph, thanks dude.

I have complete exhaust/intake setup with tune myself if that answers your question.
Read it already. It doesn't change a thing.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:11 PM   #31
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Read it already. It doesn't change a thing.
No, If torque dip is really that huge of an issue. Turbo is 4k, why spend 2.5k on your intake exhaust/tune....

you are not gonna change how this engine is like NA, there is no magical "removing torque dip".......unless you get something like ace header, but op wants UEL.

You didn't read my paragraph, you just thought you read about it.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:40 PM   #32
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You didn't read my paragraph, you just thought you read about it.
Or maybe you just don't understand what you post, because nothing can qualify your opinion that "the torque dip really is over blown [sic]" as anything but subjective.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:43 PM   #33
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DUDE!!!! I literally have this EXACT setup hahaha. See my build thread in signature. I love it. Only thing missing is the overpipe and front pipe.
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I have a deposit down for a 2018 Subaru BRZ tS. The first thing I am going to do is I/H/E/Tune.



Intake: Grimmspeed CAI - $330.00
Reason: To get rid of the sound generator and clean up the engine bay.



Header: JDL UEL (Black Finish) - $849.00
Reason: I want the boxer rumble and a quality header with good welds that will hold up over time.



Over Pipe / Front Pipe: JDL OP/FP Combo (Dual Resonated) - $849.00
Reason: I want to use the same company as my header. There is no emission testing in the state that I live in so I do not need a catalytic converter. However, I do not want any raspy'ness so I am opting for dual resonators in the front pipe.



Exhaust: FT-86 SpeedFactory V1 (Resonated) - $880.00
Reason: I've watched many YouTube videos and customer testimonials and believe this will be a quality exhaust to use with the rest of my parts. I am getting it resonated so it will reduce any chance of raspy'ness.



Tuning: Openflash Tuning - $499.00
Reason: Easy tuning solution with good Off-The-Shelf Tunes.

Total will come out to around $3,400.

Do you think this is a good setup? Will I have any issues with fitment with a 2018 model year? Do you think 3 resonators are overkill for raspy'ness?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Ace header + Ecutek would cost you less than that, and net you more power.

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No, If torque dip is really that huge of an issue. Turbo is 4k, why spend 2.5k on your intake exhaust/tune....

you are not gonna change how this engine is like NA, there is no magical "removing torque dip".......unless you get something like ace header, but op wants UEL.

You didn't read my paragraph, you just thought you read about it.
As the final part of my build for a daily, I plan to go supercharger anyway. I feel happier doing small gradual, piece-by-piece updates over 4 months.

After that, I won't mind waiting around 4-5 months for one piece. Sure, I know I could have only been $400 away from a Sprintex/Innovate 210 if I hadn't spent the money on I/H/E/T, but I like the slow and consistent progression I've done so far.

In the end, I'm going to have it all anyway.




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Ace header + Ecutek would cost you less than that, and net you more power.

No uel sounds
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Or maybe you just don't understand what you post, because nothing can qualify your opinion that "the torque dip really is over blown [sic]" as anything but subjective.

Hey, if you are NA. You gonna have torque dip. Plain and simple, tuned or not.....

To each of our own, I don't really think it's that big of an issue, but I'm just sharing my experience. Cause I buy into that crap ppl talked about on "internet".
All the tune does is more fuel and more timing early so you don't feel the dip as much simply cause there is more power everywhere but dip is always there if you are NA.

& I spent $ for it. 4-2-1 hearders check, front pipe check, Fujitsubo authrize R check. CAI check; intake duct check. *I also have an Apexi N1 evo with the tiny diffuser sitting in my storage...

Shit just intake/exhaust/tune i already spent over 6k if i brought them at msrp.


Did Torque dip disappear? NO ok? Now you see where I'm coming from?

Stock throttle mapping is just really laid back, that's why ppl get bother by the dip so much...



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As the final part of my build for a daily, I plan to go supercharger anyway. I feel happier doing small gradual, piece-by-piece updates over 4 months.

After that, I won't mind waiting around 4-5 months for one piece. Sure, I know I could have only been $400 away from a Sprintex/Innovate 210 if I hadn't spent the money on I/H/E/T, but I like the slow and consistent progression I've done so far.

In the end, I'm going to have it all anyway.




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Problem with this car is that upgrades never stops.

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Old 12-26-2017, 03:04 PM   #38
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Hey, if you are NA. You gonna have torque dip. Plain and simple, tuned or not.....

Did Torque dip disappear? NO ok? Now you see where I'm coming from?
Sounds like you bought the wrong parts or have unrealistic expectations. My experience with headers and tune is that the torque "dip" is now imperceptible (~5 ft-lb dip from ~150 ft-lb vs. ~20 ft-lb dip from ~125 ft-lb). And this "dip" in my torque curve still puts me at about 20 ft-lb over the peak stock torque. And I get 2-2.5 mpg better on the highway. Moreover, it's much more fun to run the car through its mid-range now instead of having to deal with a dramatic dip or drive around it the dip. The car is much more enjoyable and I'm almost beyond words sitting here reading about an "overblown" stock torque dip that doesn't go away no matter what you do.
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Sounds like you bought the wrong parts or have unrealistic expectations. My experience with headers and tune is that the torque "dip" is now imperceptible (~5 ft-lb dip from ~150 ft-lb vs. ~20 ft-lb dip from ~125 ft-lb). And this "dip" in my torque curve still puts me at about 20 ft-lb over the peak stock torque. And I get 2-2.5 mpg better on the highway. Moreover, it's much more fun to run the car through its mid-range now instead of having to deal with a dramatic dip or drive around it the dip. The car is much more enjoyable and I'm almost beyond words sitting here reading about an "overblown" stock torque dip that doesn't go away no matter what you do.


Nono I do know what I am getting in. Since I got the car, I get something new very 4 months ish & it just slowly adds up over the last 3 years. I went with different exhaust again cause there was too much drones for me on the highway.

But I sorta got on the expensive side just because I believe in quality product.


I don’t know why you tell me about the drastic dip when you can just down shift.... for real.

And the dip is there anyway, if you are doing any serious driving you will be downshifting anyway isn’t it?


What is fun???


I think we all enjoy driving, but I think there are finite differences in how we drive. It’s just that base on your logic torque dip is so bad that you have to change it. I will tell you now I enjoy driving near redline for any serious driving at all times. The extra mid range torque actually only makes the car less fun for me, I just want more top end power.

And yes. I think tunes not aim for high rpm & top end power actually makes the car more boring and McDonald like. I don’t need you to tell me McDonald’s is nice. 👌I have a pretty small dip too. But is it a good change? I don’t think so.



Be real here, the only thing mid range torque benefits a car like the twin is stop and go traffic & long term engine wares on track.




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If you are worried about the torque dip the answer is E85 and Delicious. I would guess this would give you more bang for the buck of anything you have posted.
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