Official: New Alpine A110

[Allch Chcar]

That sexy new Prius though.

[Irace86.2.0]

Hideous to me. Individually there are good looking pieces but everything doesn’t come together to look cohesive.

[reni]

Just needs one of these

[why?]

looks interesting but if I was to be looking for a more expensive sports car the 4c would be my first stop. rear engine and rear wheel drive should be fun.

[MarkR171]

Originally Posted by why?

looks interesting but if I was to be looking for a more expensive sports car the 4c would be my first stop. rear engine and rear wheel drive should be fun.

mid-engine, there's a trunk!

[guybo]

Though tthe 4C I'm sure is great to drive and everything, it's just a matter of time until the problems start to show up. It's FCG and it will have any reliability problems and it'll be very expensive to fix. For that price point you can do a lot better. THAT IS the business model of FCG. Give them good looks and a fun drive, engineer in problems and make them pay out the nose to fix.

There are no reliability reports as yet for the 4C (too new), but CR gives it a 1/5 for predicted reliability. That is in keeping with FCG in general and the return of Alfa in the US in particular. The Giulia has been a nightmare of problems from the get-go. You really have to look past the fake news paid-for reviews in the standard magazines and online outlets to get the real scoop. I would take pretty much any other sports car over the 4C (in that price range) though it looks awesome on paper and it's a gorgeous fun car to drive.

Renault and Nissan have a partnership and I'd take anything by Nissan over FCG even though I have no experience with Renault. Back in the day when Renault sold cards in the US they had very poor reliability, that was then and this is now There's more than performance to consider- sometimes you have to take into consideration what company you're hopping in the sack with. If you sleep with FCG, you deserve all the STD's you wake up with.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Slammillionaire

But for most people who want to hoon a small car around some twisty roads, the power is more than reasonable. I'll literally never understand why people say this and I think about it frequently. When im blasting down some farm roads, I have never once wished the car had more power.

I don't know of any other 5 year old car that has had such a vast forced induction aftermarket sprout up around it so quickly. To me that speaks volumes about what a lot of owners want out of this platform.

[bcj]

Originally Posted by guybo

Though tthe 4C I'm sure is great to drive and everything, it's just a matter of time until the problems start to show up. It's FCG and it will have any reliability problems and it'll be very expensive to fix. For that price point you can do a lot better. THAT IS the business model of FCG. Give them good looks and a fun drive, engineer in problems and make them pay out the nose to fix.

And the Alpine is French and powered by Renault.

What was this about again?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by MarkR171

I'm not comparing it to the 4C at all, again, that's apples to oranges. I wasn't even referring to the amount of power. It's just not that sweet an engine.

The 86 torque dip is real, and absolutely noticeable. Now on the street, just driving around without paying attention to it, it's fine and the car is a lot of fun because of the chassis. But the ND Miata has 50 less hp and has so much more torque down low. Granted, it's a lot lighter, but there is no perceptible dip.

I understand that it's completely fixed by headers and a tune though. I've driven a modded BRZ and was really impressed by the difference.

You could just as easily say that the ND's body roll out of the box is real and noticable too. I can't think of any new car for 25k that is perfect out of the box.

Originally Posted by gtengr

I don't know of any other 5 year old car that has had such a vast forced induction aftermarket sprout up around it so quickly. To me that speaks volumes about what a lot of owners want out of this platform.

Aren't there already several FI options for the ND already? How many other low power NA engine sports cars have been made in the last 5 years?

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You could just as easily say that the ND's body roll out of the box is real and noticable too. I can't think of any new car for 25k that is perfect out of the box.

I drove an MX5 for 3 years and I'll take the torque dip over the body roll any day. You can drive around the torque dip but the body roll you can not.

Throw a couple of grand at either car and it'll fix the problems.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You could just as easily say that the ND's body roll out of the box is real and noticable too. I can't think of any new car for 25k that is perfect out of the box.



Aren't there already several FI options for the ND already? How many other low power NA engine sports cars have been made in the last 5 years?

Originally Posted by TommyW

I drove an MX5 for 3 years and I'll take the torque dip over the body roll any day. You can drive around the torque dip but the body roll you can not.

Throw a couple of grand at either car and it'll fix the problems.

Miata's body roll is not a problem. It is a feature.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

BRZ's torque dip is not a problem. It is a feature.

See, I can do that too.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

See, I can do that too.

Yup. Correctly.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You could just as easily say that the ND's body roll out of the box is real and noticable too.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Miata's body roll is not a problem. It is a feature.

Ahhhhh.... good ol' subjectivity raises its ugly (in my opinion as I am not one of its parents) head again.
I have driven a friend's ND and neither he or I consider the cars body roll excessive. Weird huh?
Body roll is not bad per se. With double wishbone suspension increased camber can be dialed in with roll. It also gives average drivers a cue as to how fast they are cornering.
Because compromise.