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Dimman · 03-16-2011, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

What toyota needs to do is release mki for the first year or two with a NA 2.0 20 valve (yes 20) then release the mk2 with a turbo 16 valve wrx motor later for those that want that ugly thing lol.... wouldn't that be awesome?

20v is over-rated.

Matador · 03-16-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

20v is over-rated.

The 20v or having 20 valves (in a 4Cyl)?

Dimman · 03-17-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

The 20v or having 20 valves (in a 4Cyl)?

5 Valves per cylinder is over-rated.

OldSkoolToys · 03-17-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

5 Valves per cylinder is over-rated.

If you base you're entire argument off the 5 valves, yes...but the 20v 4A-GE's are still amazing 1.6L machines, matching Honda's vaulted "100hp per liter" mumbo-jumbo by producing 160hp of its own.

Damned good for a 1.6L N/A. And just for you sir, ITB's standard!

Matador · 03-17-2011, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

5 Valves per cylinder is over-rated.

Mmm. I politely disagree.

Dimman · 03-17-2011, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Mmm. I politely disagree.

Flow interference, bad flame propagation, heat soaking between valves, extra cost for no performance gain.

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

If you base you're entire argument off the 5 valves, yes...but the 20v 4A-GE's are still amazing 1.6L machines, matching Honda's vaulted "100hp per liter" mumbo-jumbo by producing 160hp of its own.

Damned good for a 1.6L N/A. And just for you sir, ITB's standard!

There's ITB's in that aluminum box, being fed by a turbo. And a 4 valve small port head. Yummy, and for sale for $9k Cdn.

OldSkoolToys · 03-17-2011, 01:51 AM

I was speaking more in factory form...., I'm definitely no stranger to the numerous tuning possibilities the 4A offers.

Dimman · 03-17-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I was speaking more in factory form...., I'm definitely no stranger to the numerous tuning possibilities the 4A offers.

I know.

Buddy's car, needs funding for his new shop.

I'm familiar with the technical limits (not that they're really limits like they are a 2V or something, just not really worth the expense IMO) of the 5v heads but...

How do the 20v 4A's sound opened up?

Hell NVM, I'm off to youtube to answer my own question...

OldSkoolToys · 03-17-2011, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

I know.

Buddy's car, needs funding for his new shop.

I'm familiar with the technical limits (not that they're really limits like they are a 2V or something, just not really worth the expense IMO) of the 5v heads but...

How do the 20v 4A's sound opened up?

Hell NVM, I'm off to youtube to answer my own question...

All 4A-GE's sound like glorious heaven on earth when opened up...

Noooooo, I'm not biased.

Matador · 03-17-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Flow interference, bad flame propagation, heat soaking between valves, extra cost for no performance gain.

Get back to you on this when the hangover I'm going to have tomorrow wears off.

jmc · 03-17-2011, 10:10 PM

I love the updated Concept 2. The headlights have an "LFA" look to them. The second car is hot! I would however like to see revised front LED drl's and a revised rear bumper that is a bit less "ricey." Otherwise, this car is amazing and I will sign up for one as soon as Toyota Motors announces that it will indeed be labeled as a "Toyota" here in the US.

Dimman · 03-17-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Get back to you on this when the hangover I'm going to have tomorrow wears off.

I'll start a thread in Engine and Drivetrain about various engine tech.

Go Mk I!

Calais · 03-18-2011, 04:49 AM

i finally voted for the Mk I, because while i like them both i can find things on the Mk II i would like changed and i cant see anything that i would want changed on the Mk I

FT-86GOD · 03-18-2011, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Calais

i finally voted for the Mk I, because while i like them both i can find things on the Mk II i would like changed and i cant see anything that i would want changed on the Mk I

It was inevitable.....

View Poll Results: Which do you like better?
Concept I	58	36.02%
Concept II	79	49.07%
On the fence still	24	14.91%
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jmc Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Lexus GS430, Toyota Celica Supra Location: FL Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I love the updated Concept 2. The headlights have an "LFA" look to them. The second car is hot! I would however like to see revised front LED drl's and a revised rear bumper that is a bit less "ricey." Otherwise, this car is amazing and I will sign up for one as soon as Toyota Motors announces that it will indeed be labeled as a "Toyota" here in the US.

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