Thinking about buying a 2018 BRZ STi

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by yurikaze

It's all a matter of perspective. Personally I am looking forward to getting my BRZ tS next year, since it has way more power than my 112hp AE86, my 130hp CRZ, my 170hp Datsun Z, and has the same power and weight as my SR-swapped S13.

I'm really looking forward to a car that sprints to 60 in only around 6 seconds.
With all the track time I've put in with my current cars, taking possession of this thing will feel like unlocking a superweapon....

Sure, I get that, but you're in the minority. If affordable, lightweight, rwd coupes were in demand we would have more than 1 option available to pick from.

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Sure, I get that, but you're in the minority. If affordable, lightweight, rwd coupes were in demand we would have more than 1 option available to pick from.

I am not sure I totally get your reply.

This car is a niche selling car that, even compared to USDM's Subaru own sales numbers, sells 0.7% of their total car volume.

Reference: http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...-october-sales

Therefore, I don't think that a group that is the minority really has room to tell others "but you're the minority". It appears to be an oxymoronic statement.

Also, we do. MX5. Also, this is the JDM market, so their are other cars that could fit this bill the US Market never sees.

To the remainder of your qualifiers, I have to know what the range of "affordable" or "lightweight" is, so contenders like the Alpha 4C, Lotus, Cayman, FT-1 concept, Corvette, as well as many other used cars...

Still, all of this is a tangent, at best, or more realistically a non-sequitur to the OP's question:

"Should I pull the trigger on the BRZ STi, or is there any news or rumor about another GT-86 or BRZ in the making that will be better?"

If that is all that you want answered -- no, there is never any news about making it better.

Enjoy your new JDM BRZ STI Sport.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dowroa

I didn't, per my quotes about the market, iff you are referring to me.

Still, tires are easily swappable. Having a 7.5" rim instead of a 7" wheel I would think is more important.

I am not sure what width the STI Sport/tS wheels are, but them being an 18" wheel is a turn-off for performance.

Nah not you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dowroa

If that is all that you want answered -- no, there is never any news about making it better.

Enjoy your new JDM BRZ STI Sport.

Always will be loads of rumours though. Anybody that waits for those rumours to come true may be severely disappointed.

[yurikaze]

Being the JDM market, the Toyota 86 Gazoo Racing could be a comparable selection for top of the line performance 86 twins. But having been in both cars, I've got to say the paint and interior of the STI sport is really something special. Plus, it is only a 1 of 100 model....

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by dowroa

I am not sure I totally get your reply.

This car is a niche selling car that, even compared to USDM's Subaru own sales numbers, sells 0.7% of their total car volume.

Reference: http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...-october-sales

Therefore, I don't think that a group that is the minority really has room to tell others "but you're the minority". It appears to be an oxymoronic statement.

Also, we do. MX5. Also, this is the JDM market, so their are other cars that could fit this bill the US Market never sees.

To the remainder of your qualifiers, I have to know what the range of "affordable" or "lightweight" is, so contenders like the Alpha 4C, Lotus, Cayman, FT-1 concept, Corvette, as well as many other used cars...

Still, all of this is a tangent, at best, or more realistically a non-sequitur to the OP's question:

I wasn't replying specifically to OP's post. I was responding to the user who questioned why people on here will frequently recommend Hondas to potential buyers. I constantly see potential buyers cross shopping the 86 with cars like the Civic Si, WRX, and Focus ST. While they are in the same price range, the 86 is a completely different kind of experience. If someone is having a hard time deciding between a WRX or BRZ I will always tell them to go with the WRX.


When I think of the word Coupe, I don't tend to think of convertibles. I think of a fixed hard top.


As for the question of affordability, I don't think many people would classify a car costing more than $50,000 as "affordable."


I guess what I am trying to say is that a lot of people might think they like the idea of a sporty coupe like the BRZ. However, once they spend a couple of months driving it they quickly realize that they wanted something bigger, faster, or requires less effort to drive. That's just my experience though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

However, once they spend a couple of months driving they quickly realize that they wanted something bigger, faster, or requires less effort to drive. That's just my experience though.

I have had this very conversation with my dealer's sales manager a couple of times. Over half of the FRS/86s they have sold are traded back in in the first six months of ownership. This forum represents the minority of owners and really skews what the perception of the car is all about.
He said that the main reason it id traded by the general public is that it "scares" them! They buy it expecting a normal little coupe that they can run to work in and the first time they accidently lay the rear end out they say "NOPE" and get a nice safe Corolla. He said that he hasn't had any traded in for being too slow, not big enough or any of the common "not practical" reasons we see listed here. It is plain and simple not a car designed nor intended for the everyday driver and although it serves that purpose well many do not enjoy it for what it is.

[olsonpg]

The funny thing about this situation though is this, which seems to encapsulate this weird theme on this site.

OP said: Thinking about a BMW but then "fell in love with the brz sti at tokyo auto show".

Nexy reply: "buy yourself a Honda. More power, more room, cost less."

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Wut?

That's what brought us all here, falling in love with this car when we saw it.

If you have some serious buyers regret that you would recommend a funny looking sedan in place of this car than maybe its time for you to hop in that funny looking sedan and rev your two front wheels over to a honda forum.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 4Flat4Life

I live in Japan, and will be getting into a new job soon that comes with a huge pay raise. So I have decided to buy a new car for myself.

I was debating about a BMW, but after going to the Tokyo Motor Show this year, I fell in love with the new BRZ STi.

So here's my question...


Should I pull the trigger on the BRZ STi, or is there any news or rumor about another GT-86 or BRZ in the making that will be better?

Even if there is a new one on the drawboard, you'll have to wait too long. The BRZ STi is a great car.

Originally Posted by 4Flat4Life

Absolutely not on the Honda lol I don't like any of the new Honda cars. Saw the new Civic Type R at TMS too, and it looks like crap.

Yep.

[ToySub1946]

ForFlat4Life:

"I was debating about a BMW, but after going to the Tokyo Motor Show this year, I fell in love with the new BRZ STi. "

OK, so you've fallen in love with the looks of the BRZ. That's only a little piece of the puzzle.

I'd say, drive both cars to determine which is best sitting behind the steering wheel.

For me it's like the difference between a standard SLR and a mirrorless camera. The smaller, usually lighter, mirrorless just fits my hands better.

Pick the one which fits your body best. Something I learned after years of owning cars which could be adjusted to fit my body, yet weren't a perfect fit.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The majority of people these days don't enjoy driving small, underpowered cars that practically force you to rev high and downshift. Most people crave comfortable rides, nice stereos, and plenty of torque down low so you never have to rev above 4k.

I don't discuss cars with such people.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have had this very conversation with my dealer's sales manager a couple of times. Over half of the FRS/86s they have sold are traded back in in the first six months of ownership. This forum represents the minority of owners and really skews what the perception of the car is all about.
He said that the main reason it id traded by the general public is that it "scares" them! They buy it expecting a normal little coupe that they can run to work in and the first time they accidently lay the rear end out they say "NOPE" and get a nice safe Corolla. He said that he hasn't had any traded in for being too slow, not big enough or any of the common "not practical" reasons we see listed here. It is plain and simple not a car designed nor intended for the everyday driver and although it serves that purpose well many do not enjoy it for what it is.

So what you're hearing is that for the buyers who don't stick with them our underpowered car is not slow enough?

[dowroa]

Cynicism noted, but really, they aren't drivers.

They don't want cars that move or feel alive.

They want safe,plush sofas that coddle them and make them feel like much better drivers than they are.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

So what you're hearing is that for the buyers who don't stick with them our underpowered car is not slow enough?

From the hairdressers and accountants that have zero interest in actually driving yes.