What my first year driving / first car has taught me.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

"I've been on two rally style events with multiple twins and other sporty cars, driving fast, way faster than we're supposed to go (most recent was a mountain run through west virginia) and It just makes me think a little."


Yes, i admitted I almost ate it during the FT86 Expo, hmm. I'm under the impression you read the part where I was talking about a texting and driving ****head flying up the left lane on my way to school last week and somehow merged that with my experience on the expo.

Nice.

Having some clown almost hit you on the highway is totally different than driving yourself into an accident on a mountain road. Are you unable to see the difference?

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Having some clown almost hit you on the highway is totally different than driving yourself into an accident on a mountain road. Are you unable to see the difference?

Are you unable to comprehend the fact that all I mentioned about the expo is that we were driving fast on a 4 lane mountain road? Where is the correlation lol. You're not making much sense my guy. The drive went well, no incidents happened and everyone was safe. ask Ichi, he was there. All I'm saying in any relevance to the rally is that it made me reconsider the speeds at which we were driving. not that I "ALMOST HAD A KILLER ACCIDENT ON THE HIGHWAY MOUNTAIN WOW BRO THE EVENT MANAGERS SPONSORS' ROUTE MUST HAVE SUCKED GOOD LUCK MAKING IT TO 19 MAYNE HOPE U DONT KILL SOME PEDESTRIANS!"

Like que?.. lol

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

Are you unable to comprehend the fact that all I mentioned about the expo is that we were driving fast on a 4 lane mountain road? Where is the correlation lol. You're not making much sense my guy. The drive went well, no incidents happened and everyone was safe. ask Ichi, he was there. All I'm saying in any relevance to the rally is that it made me reconsider the speeds at which we were driving. not that I "ALMOST HAD A KILLER ACCIDENT ON THE HIGHWAY MOUNTAIN WOW BRO THE EVENT MANAGERS SPONSORS' ROUTE MUST HAVE SUCKED GOOD LUCK MAKING IT TO 19 MAYNE HOPE U DONT KILL SOME PEDESTRIANS!"

Like que?.. lol

Whatever, bruh. My apologies, I came off sounding like I care about you hurting yourself or others based on your relative inexperience. I don't care, so carry on.

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Whatever, bruh.

I'm just saying your argument makes no sense. You're trying to tell me I admitted to almost eating shit on my rally because you misread and then tried making correlation through two different events and aspects of driving that have nothing to do with each other. No point in arguing over the internet though, I'm over it.

[Overdrive]

You're very fortunate to have this as your first car, and it's great to see that you know and appreciate that. It's also refreshing to see that you have a healthy respect for driving this car intelligently. I'm sure you know many of your peers who do crazier things in far less capable cars, somehow surviving those potentially life-changing dice rolls. There really probably isn't a better car to learn to drive with. If you can drive this, and drive it well, you can pretty much drive anything at either end of the spectrum. Sure, you won't (er...shouldn't) be 4-wheel drifting a minivan, but you'll at least be paying more attention to what that minivan is telling you as you drive it. Likewise, if you get in a higher performing car, you'll be pretty likely to get more out of it since you're used to driving a car with great handling.

I would've loved to have something like this car to drive when I was your age, but the things that were in this realm were simply not very affordable like they are now. I'm not sure I would've wanted to do my driving test in it (my evaluator was super crabby that day, and I was one of his last of the day), but kudos to you for doing so and pulling it off.

Keep enjoying and learning.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

Are you unable to comprehend the fact that all I mentioned about the expo is that we were driving fast on a 4 lane mountain road?

Ok, not to jump on PB's side but he's calling you out on exactly that. The texting guy just happens to be germane to his point.

Now, I attend plenty of group drives so I want to be clear that I am guilty of adding a skill/grip factor to the posted recommended corner speeds. I'm pretty sure most of us do the same.

Although his preachy delivery takes away from his message, it remains valid. Keeping my sins in mind, please accept my advice to drop your cornering speeds and focus on paying more attention to your environment, the vehicle's handling, and your safety factor.

For instance, if you are entering the corner at the edge of grip, what do you have left should you encounter an obstacle or a mechanical failure? You are a young and inexperienced enthusiast. Do your best to stay alive.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Ok, not to jump on PB's side but he's calling you out on exactly that. The texting guy just happens to be germane to his point.

Now, I attend plenty of group drives so I want to be clear that I am guilty of adding a skill/grip factor to the posted recommended corner speeds. I'm pretty sure most of us do the same.

Although his preachy delivery takes away from his message, it remains valid. Keeping my sins in mind, please accept my advice to drop your cornering speeds and focus on paying more attention to your environment, the vehicle's handling, and your safety factor.

For instance, if you are entering the corner at the edge of grip, what do you have left should you encounter an obstacle or a mechanical failure? You are a young and inexperienced enthusiast. Do your best to stay alive.

But what does that have to do with the douchebag on the cell phone who came out of nowhere while OP was trying to merge into the lane that cellphone douche was already in, ie; OP being an inattentive driver who clearly lacks the skill to check his mirrors and blindspots, but has no issue driving above what his clearly limited skillset is.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Cole

But what does that have to do with the douchebag on the cell phone who came out of nowhere while OP was trying to merge into the lane that cellphone douche was already in, ie; OP being an inattentive driver who clearly lacks the skill to check his mirrors and blindspots, but has no issue driving above what his clearly limited skillset is.

There is a difference between attention and planning. I wouldn't necessarily conclude Volt was being inattentive but I do urge all of us to work on planning ahead within reason. Try to be ready for the texting lane-changer as well as that blowout going 40 around a yellow 25 mph corner. That takes constant practice.

If you get my *cough* drift.

[extrashaky]

Considering some of the shit I pulled in my Triumph when I was 18, I have yet to read anything disturbing at all here. Some of you have a gift for bringing negativity to what should have been a positive thread.

OP's first post reminds me: For those of you with kids or grandkids approaching driving age, don't let them take the road test in a sports car. Take them in the most boring family car you can get your hands on. There are examiners out there who think sports cars are The Devil and that your kid is either a spoiled brat or is going to kill anyone who gets in his way.

Way back when, I wanted to test in my own car, a Triumph TR6. I grew up around people who appreciated cars, so I didn't realize there were miserable people out there who hated or resented anything the slightest bit sporty. Big mistake. The examiner bitched and whined the entire time. I should have taken the van instead.

The goal is to get them to pass. Don't handicap them on the road test by letting them do it in a car the examiner might hate.

[PetrolioBenzina]

This thread has everything to do with why some people think the car sucks at passing.

Sorry, I'll try to back off on "preachy" and get more to the point, but then I'll get called an "asshole". Whatever.

Motorcycle riders work off of a traction pie, no different than us. Pilots live off of staying ahead of the airplane, no different than us.

Stay ahead of the car, it is not that hard. Driving any car well requires you to be more than just a passive reactive passenger. Again, this car, if you do your job as an involved and aware driver, is as good as it gets for non-stupid money. That includes admitting you should slow down.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Although his preachy delivery takes away from his message, it remains valid.

Fuck me, I've become "that guy". I'm now at the point where I need to write a book.

[PetrolioBenzina]

One last shot at making sense.

I've been on any number of "inexperienced rider" organized rides where the so-called "leader" is never seen again. Any number of new riders assume that because the dumbass "leader" made it through the turn that they can as well, only to find that rider ability runs out well before machine ability does.

Some hard-won knowledge in this thread, OP.

Non-preachy version: Too stupid to take advice, must learn the hard way.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Considering some of the shit I pulled in my Triumph when I was 18, I have yet to read anything disturbing at all here. Some of you have a gift for bringing negativity to what should have been a positive thread.

OP's first post reminds me: For those of you with kids or grandkids approaching driving age, don't let them take the road test in a sports car. Take them in the most boring family car you can get your hands on. There are examiners out there who think sports cars are The Devil and that your kid is either a spoiled brat or is going to kill anyone who gets in his way.

Way back when, I wanted to test in my own car, a Triumph TR6. I grew up around people who appreciated cars, so I didn't realize there were miserable people out there who hated or resented anything the slightest bit sporty. Big mistake. The examiner bitched and whined the entire time. I should have taken the van instead.

The goal is to get them to pass. Don't handicap them on the road test by letting them do it in a car the examiner might hate.

That is exactly why there is a generation of passive drive-right-into-the-pile-of-cars drones on the road.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Sorry, I'll try to back off on "preachy" and get more to the point, but then I'll get called an "asshole". Whatever.

No worries. Just a little course correction. I think we're all together on the message to Volt.

And I have a feeling he gets it.