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xwd · 07-04-2012, 09:41 PM

Interesting that's the first trans used in a Subaru I have heard of that doesn't have a dipstick. Then again Subaru generally designs their own transmissions and this one is from a 3rd party manufacturer.

Mr.Jay · 07-04-2012, 10:23 PM

Makes sense it is a Toyota trans

JP · 07-04-2012, 10:34 PM

Yep, just like the J160, V161, R154, W58, T50 etc etc

csaba · 07-04-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Don't drive the car any more and get it to a dealer asap. Something is definitely wrong.

Uhh, no. Transmission fluid and gear oil breaks down just like engine oil, just as a much slower rate. It should NOT last the life of the car. Your trans fluid/oil should be changed at every 30K service.

That's excessive and it pisses me off that manufacturers are doing this more and more on new cars. They say they're doing it because people can't tell the difference between the engine oil dipstick and the transmission dipstick. They much think their customers are all idiots. (Yes, quite a few are, but not all). But it keeps people from easily checking their fluid levels which is just wrong. As above, at least one car has left the factory with no transmission fluid, and this might be the second. Without a simple dipstick, it can't be checked without a lot of work, so it's not done during a PDI where it could be easily discovered.

Forget being empty, do we know that our transmissions were filled to the power level? Maybe they're low? But we can't tell unless we have at least a floor jack and four jackstands and an hour of time.

Drives me batty. I think I'm going to request my dealership spend some warranty time on checking my trans oil level...

Good for you than change it at 30K!

csaba · 07-04-2012, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JP

to check the oil you need to raise the car up, remove the undertrays, remove the filler bung on the side of the box and put your finger in to feel the oil level.

There's 2 bungs on the side, lower is the drain, upper is the filler. Detailed on page 66 of the service manual.

So I get my car from the dealer and do all that to make sure I have trans oil.

Than I might as well buy a used junk!

JP · 07-04-2012, 11:26 PM

nobody said you have to check the oil level, if they didn't put oil in and the trans gets lunched, it's under warranty.

At predelivery they just check that there are no transmission oil leaks.

Changing the transmission oil at regular service intervals will prolong the life of your synchro's.

Draco-REX · 07-04-2012, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csaba

Good for you than change it at 30K!

Quote:

Originally Posted by csaba

So I get my car from the dealer and do all that to make sure I have trans oil.

Than I might as well buy a used junk!

My troll sense is tingling.. Next thing he'll be complaining that he has to change his engine oil every 7.5K when it should last for 15K.

Swift · 07-06-2012, 05:29 PM

Most manual transmissions don't have dipsticks FYI. Something is seriously wrong with this guys Tranny or linkage. I hope we get details on the verdict.

PS- I plan on getting my car off the truck while I am there and watch the mechanic do the PDI and not let him drive it.

PPs- I am a certified mechanic also.

2pt5RS · 07-06-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

wtf? That doesn't sound right at all

My 6MT is fine real smooth. Only issue is shifting into 1st and from 1-2 when the car hasn't warmed up at all.

I would get the dealer to look at it considering we already have heard of a dealer not putting any tranny fluid in a car before selling it.

the dealer doesn't put the transmission fluid in the car, that happens at the factory.

Jeff Lange · 07-06-2012, 06:23 PM

There are several models of Toyota that do not have change intervals for the transmission fluid, including manual transmissions, and this also includes the TL70 in the FR-S. There is no scheduled maintenance for the M/T Gear oil, it is meant to be a "lifetime" fluid.

I still usually change mine every now and again, but I'm just saying.

Jeff

gt86init · 07-06-2012, 07:18 PM

I have to say it is very notchy and tough to shift on 1st , 2nd & 6th when car is cold.. again im only at 100 miles so i wanna give it some time to loosen up a bit..

Mr.Jay · 07-06-2012, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2pt5RS

the dealer doesn't put the transmission fluid in the car, that happens at the factory.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10450

According to this it is done during PDI

crap just re-read that thread I was wrong!

But still that must of been a crap PDI since they sold the car and didn't notice

phenom86 · 07-07-2012, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt86init

I have to say it is very notchy and tough to shift on 1st , 2nd & 6th when car is cold.. again im only at 100 miles so i wanna give it some time to loosen up a bit..

mine is the same thing, its not as smooth as it should be.. ill stop by toyota tomorrow and have them quickly check it out

imravenit · 07-07-2012, 03:04 AM

but after a good minutes driving around its smooth..

07-04-2012, 10:23 PM	#16
Mr.Jay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: FRS :D Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 545 Thanked 699 Times in 438 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s)	Makes sense it is a Toyota trans __________________ Out of the FRS game

07-06-2012, 05:29 PM	#22
Swift I just Drive. Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: in the womb still Location: WI/MN Posts: 304 Thanks: 0 Thanked 116 Times in 86 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	Most manual transmissions don't have dipsticks FYI. Something is seriously wrong with this guys Tranny or linkage. I hope we get details on the verdict. PS- I plan on getting my car off the truck while I am there and watch the mechanic do the PDI and not let him drive it. PPs- I am a certified mechanic also. __________________ -Waiting patiently for the right FT-86... -92' Acura Legend 5spd coupe twin turbo project

07-06-2012, 06:23 PM	#24
Jeff Lange Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 1986 AE86 GT-S, 2011 Lexus IS250 6M Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 661 Thanks: 136 Thanked 362 Times in 161 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s)	There are several models of Toyota that do not have change intervals for the transmission fluid, including manual transmissions, and this also includes the TL70 in the FR-S. There is no scheduled maintenance for the M/T Gear oil, it is meant to be a "lifetime" fluid. I still usually change mine every now and again, but I'm just saying. Jeff __________________ 2011 Lexus IS350 F-Sport 6MT with LSD 1986 Toyota Corolla GT-S Supercharged

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