2013 FRs vs 2017 WRX

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Weasel Soup

And the first thing a good rallycross driver does to a fwd or awd car is disconnect the front sway bar to get the thing to rotate...

i find that hard to believe. that can mess with rake and camber and all sorts of things. its probably not a good idea.

[Weasel Soup]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i find that hard to believe. that can mess with rake and camber and all sorts of things. its probably not a good idea.

Sway bar has no effect on rake or camber, in a static environment. The purpose of removing the sway bar is to soften the effective spring rate in a cornering situation. This promotes weight transfer in order to take weight off of the rear end so that it can slide more easily. Chassis slip angle is your friend, up to a point, in loose surface competition.

However, that is a discussion for else where. Not something relevant to this comparison of cars.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Weasel Soup

Sway bar has no effect on rake or camber, in a static environment. The purpose of removing the sway bar is to soften the effective spring rate in a cornering situation. This promotes weight transfer in order to take weight off of the rear end so that it can slide more easily. Chassis slip angle is your friend, up to a point, in loose surface competition.

However, that is a discussion for else where. Not something relevant to this comparison of cars.

i understand what youre saying but youre still wrong. removing a bar will allow a inside wheel to droop. the inside wheel with the sway bar will not. that changes rake which can do some things to roll axis and camber changes. its something people do and its a compromise. it isnt the first thing a good driver or builder does, however.

i think its weird you think a topic you brought up isnt relevant.

[nitro_alltrac]

I found this to be interesting and useful post.

I've got a new 86 on order. It's replacing my '92 Toyota Celica All Trac. For those who don't know what that is, the All Trac was the US version of the Celica GT4, Toyota's homologation model for WRC. 2.0L turbo, 5 speed, AWD. In the same category as the WRX.

I'm going to miss the turbo and especially the AWD but it's time to move on after 11 years and I'm tired of fighting the rust.

It's good to see comparison between these two platforms from someone who owns. It answers some questions that some coming from the rally car type platform have.

I'm looking forward to getting my car. Hopefully it will be here next month.

[DriveDriftDogfight86]

My best friend has a 2017 WRX....all I have to say is this: he'll ask to drive my car before I'd ask to drive his car...

[Chris S]

I bought a '17 WRX Premium on New Years Eve, just 7 months ago. Last week I traded it in on a new BRZ w/ PP, and I couldn't be happier. Discovered that awd turbos just aren't my thing, esp. when Subaru provides such a crappy tune from the factory.