Why I'll never buy another Toyota

[Dadhawk]

What I don't get is the whole "they advertised this car doing this or that so it should be covered under warranty" thing.

I'm sure every one of those ads somewhere had the fine print "professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt" disclaimer in them.

For example, the Ford F150 demo below was a commercial, and was actually performed (is not CG), I seriously doubt Ford is going to cover anything under warranty that breaks if you actually do this. I'm sure there are 100s of other examples, particularly with trucks.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa3U8u-c63E[/ame]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

For example, the Ford F150 demo below was a commercial, and was actually performed (is not CG), I seriously doubt Ford is going to cover anything under warranty that breaks if you actually do this. I'm sure there are 100s of other examples, particularly with trucks.

Wait... You don't think they will cover it? Well there go my plans for the weekend.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

What I don't get is the whole "they advertised this car doing this or that so it should be covered under warranty" thing.

This isn't "waah my car broke fix it"

This is, "hey you have a known design/manufacturing issue, please replace/update my faulty parts" and the dealership saying "oh that's not a manufacturer fault, that's your fault"

Coil packs, ecu tune, throw out bearing, axle nuts, other miscellaneous parts that for some reason fell apart early (like that girls fuel pump). They are all unexpected deficiencies in the car whether they're tracked or not.

Edit: cam timing issues as well

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

This isn't "waah my car broke fix it"

This is, "hey you have a known design/manufacturing issue, please replace/update my faulty parts" and the dealership saying "oh that's not a manufacturer fault, that's your fault"

Coil packs, ecu tune, throw out bearing, axle nuts, other miscellaneous parts that for some reason fell apart early (like that girls fuel pump). They are all unexpected deficiencies in the car whether they're tracked or not.

This is the point that I most certainly do agree they should be covering. A known issue that generates a TSB (with the understanding they are not any form of recall) should be covered no matter where they failed. This is the "limited" track coverage I keep speaking of.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

This isn't "waah my car broke fix it".

Fair enough.

I had my own share of it. My taillights started "weeping" just after I passed (literally less than 100 miles) the bumper-to-bumper warranty. Neither the dealer nor Toyota/Scion corporate would honor the TSB under warranty for it. Definitely left a bad taste in my mouth even though I know they were perfectly within their legal rights to do exactly what they did.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wait... You don't think they will cover it? Well there go my plans for the weekend.

Hey you're probably out of warranty anyway, I say go for it...and please record/post.

[Sarlacc]

I've had two things repaired on warranty. Excessive wear on the driver seat (substandard leather IMO) and developing rust on that infamous window pillar. My dealer has been nothing but good to me.

I have been invited to a "Toyota Track Day" once a year since I bought the car. First year I contacted them and asked if participation would void my warranty. They said "yes, it might", as I expected.
Called my insurance company and asked if such an event was covered. They said "no", as expected.
So no matter who asks; my car has never been on a track, I have never broken traction or the speed limit, and I always drive as if my grandma is in the passenger seat.

There's a difference between what the car is designed for and what the legal contract of warranty covers. This should not be a surprise.
The car is designed to be easy to modify and to be fun on the track. You do those things on your own risk. If you don't, there's good warranty coverage. Seems fair to me.

EDIT: To avoid confusion, this is a '13 GT86 in Norway, so warranty and insurance is probably different from the US.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

He must be refering to wrapping the coil packs in reflective gold tape. That has worked for almost everyone. It didnt quite work for me, they lasted longer, but still went. Adding hood vents + the gold tape has make them last it seems (4 track days no problem so far, usually after 2 or 3 I start getting the code).

No, @Tcoat implied that there was a permanent fix available under warranty, I don't think the ones I ordered will come with shiny tape on them.

Which I don't think is helping at all, radiative heat transfer would only be hindered by adding the tape unless your chassis is hotter than your coilpack.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

No, @Tcoat implied that there was a permanent fix available under warranty, I don't think the ones I ordered will come with shiny tape on them.

Which I don't think is helping at all, radiative heat transfer would only be hindered by adding the tape unless your chassis is hotter than your coilpack.

No I said they fixed the issue. The early ones could most certainly still suffer from it.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81613

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No I said they fixed the issue. The early ones could most certainly still suffer from it.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81613

So I get to live with this forever? Cool beans... Re-reading that thread now.

Edit: whataboutbob's solution didn't work for him and the TSB he pointed to does not mention the coilpack at all, sorry I'm not dropping $300 on a harness right now on the off chance it might stop a coil from going bad.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

So I get to live with this forever? Cool beans... Re-reading that thread now.

ECU flash and new part number for harness. We see very, very few post 13 failures mentioned anyplace here.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

What I don't get is the whole "they advertised this car doing this or that so it should be covered under warranty" thing.

I'm sure every one of those ads somewhere had the fine print "professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt" disclaimer in them.

No disclaimer I see about track driving. In fact as late as 2016 Tada again talks about tracking the car, no disclaimer in his reply. Again he is saying the car is set up for tracking it WITHOUT disclaimer, no disclaimer in the warranty, no disclaimer when I called Toyota corporate. So with all those facts I am led to believe that when I use the car on the track my warranty is still good.

Blog: That’s interesting, because historically you have favoured mechanical engineering over electronics. How do you feel about this change in focus?

Tada: Many people think that electronic controls are not good for sport driving, but I don’t think that is the case now as control systems can actually enhance an expert driver’s skill. For example, the 2017 GT86 has a number of new electronic control modes for track driving. This logic system was developed from our motorsport activities – particularly the GT86 in the 24 Hours of Nürburgring.

source: http://blog.toyota.co.uk/2017-toyota...r-tetsuya-tada

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

ECU flash and new part number for harness. We see very, very few post 13 failures mentioned anyplace here.

That TSB has nothing to do with coilpack failures. If I keep burning them out I'll give the $300 harness a shot but I have yet to find a dealership willing to reflash my car with an updated tune and I'm on aftermarket (OFT) right now.

Edit: Also there's like zero evidence that it'll work... like nobody except for bob who ended up tearing out the engine anyway...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

No disclaimer I see about track driving. In fact as late as 2016 Tada again talks about tracking the car, no disclaimer in his reply



source: http://blog.toyota.co.uk/2017-toyota...r-tetsuya-tada

Please find a quote where he clearly states that track driving is covered by warranty. The fact he says it is enhanced for track driving does not mean that it is covered for it.