Subaru Testing a BRZ with STI Badging and a Big Wing

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

People the real reason there are no power upgrades etc are the base of this car.

This will piss ppl off but nasioc, iclub, etc they are embarassed to be associated with the brz. It's been the ultimate hyper fanboi car and probably the most so bought by first time buyers and flat out newbs.

The huge jdm d baggery and people spending 700 dollars to buy badges and fins from japan, for there always seeming to be some tool with a brand new twin asking about swapping his bumper/headlights etc. Because of the idiot willig to spend 2,000 bucks to make his frs into a gt86.

You are to blame. If the car was marketed to a more mature crowd that thinks hey do I want to spend 4 grand to look cooler?

I blame the fanbois, the same reason many subaru heads are embarassed at thr level of fanboi honda civic you have turned the brand into.


Why develop the car when you can get all the fools to rush in for their pink badges and fins and sideskirts.

If you don't like it, then there is the option of the WRX STI RA. Can you afford this car? Go for it!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Zoid

What do you mean by down shifting twice? If I'm in 6th and I want to accelerate quickly and I know downshifting to 5th won't be enough should I go down from 6th to 4th and give it the necessary throttle or should I go to 5th first and then downshift again to 4th?

Not trying to argue, genuinely curious. It's my third week with the car and my first manual so I'm still learning. I feel very comfortable downshifting and rev-matching at this point but I haven't skipped gears on the way down for accelerating purposes, only when coming to a stop or slowing down by a lot.

I agree that this car does not feel slow at all for city and highway driving, I don't have any problems passing others or zipping through traffic when needed.

Originally Posted by Zaku

Hey there,

Speaking from my knowledge... which is only about 12 years of Manual driving, I'm sure they are other that have driven longer and more that can jump in.

First and foremost, don't skip gears, look for videos or someone near you to teach you to downshift correctly if you already know how then good! and then do it twice 6-5-4. things you don't do is 3-2-1 never go to 1 unless you need to or you've come to a stop or you're under 10 mph and really need the power, you'll kill the transmission that way.

Now, the other way around I'm not sure if this is the case with our cars the 86/BRZ but on the new ND Miata, you can skip gears going Up this is because the transmission is brand new and made to save MPG. So the car will actually tell you to go from 2-4 and 4-6. In that, it's ok to skip shifts. ONLY going up.

There is an argument however In some newer cars you can also skip gears going down, but I wouldn't recommend it. this is because the 86 transmission is based off a proven old design. ND miata transmission are new and have been known to blow up, so stick with traditional driving for longevity.
and great that you've gotten into manual, I think alot of people make argument for more power because they've driven faster cars that might have the same amount of enjoyable value. This is great for diversity of thought, recently I drove the Alfa Giulia QF and now everything feels slow lol. Still love my BRZ tho. It's all I can really afford at this time really, different priorities. I think this car is good enough for everyday for sure.

anyways I'm sure others will jump in and tell you not to skip either. Hope it helps.

After 45 years of driving MT I will say that both methods are correct and I never use just one or the other. It all depends on the circumstances at the time I downshift. If revs are already low I will skip down two gears. If they are high I will go down each one separately but quickly. What the number of revs are for those two categories are I don't have a clue since I rarely look at the tach and don't know nor care what the numbers say.
There are no cut and dried rules as to when or how to shift really.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

If you don't like it, then there is the option of the WRX STI RA. Can you afford this car? Go for it!

Old engine, ugly paint and poor quality build as he said earlier.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Zaku

First and foremost, don't skip gears...

FWIW I skip gears on a regular basis, both on the street and track. I see no problem with it. As long as you're in the appropriate gear for the appropriate speed, why not? Especially when braking hard from high speed.

[weederr33]

I often wonder if the miata crowd complains about a lack of power as much as others do about the brz/frs/86

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Pat

FWIW I skip gears on a regular basis, both on the street and track. I see no problem with it. As long as you're in the appropriate gear for the appropriate speed, why not? Especially when braking hard from high speed.

Yep! It all depends on the speed and revs really. If at the top end of the speed for a gear two down and already reving out then downshifting two gears can go bad fast but that is a pretty narrow range so it really shouldn't come up often.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I often wonder if the miata crowd complains about a lack of power as much as others do about the brz/frs/86

Oh it's lack of power is fine since it is so light (you would think there was a 1,000 pound difference the way people talk).

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Pat

FWIW I skip gears on a regular basis, both on the street and track. I see no problem with it. As long as you're in the appropriate gear for the appropriate speed, why not? Especially when braking hard from high speed.

Like I posted "From my knowledge" I'm sure that it's ok to do so just as you said there is no cut and dry rule like tcoat put it. I just for myself will roll thru each gear and not skip.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Like I posted "From my knowledge" I'm sure that it's ok to do so just as you said there is no cut and dry rule like tcoat put it. I just for myself will roll thru each gear and not skip.

If downshift to slow down I row through each gear every single time. Habit from driving truck I think.

[Zoid]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Hey there,

Speaking from my knowledge... which is only about 12 years of Manual driving, I'm sure they are other that have driven longer and more that can jump in.

First and foremost, don't skip gears, look for videos or someone near you to teach you to downshift correctly if you already know how then good! and then do it twice 6-5-4. things you don't do is 3-2-1 never go to 1 unless you need to or you've come to a stop or you're under 10 mph and really need the power, you'll kill the transmission that way.

Now, the other way around I'm not sure if this is the case with our cars the 86/BRZ but on the new ND Miata, you can skip gears going Up this is because the transmission is brand new and made to save MPG. So the car will actually tell you to go from 2-4 and 4-6. In that, it's ok to skip shifts. ONLY going up.

There is an argument however In some newer cars you can also skip gears going down, but I wouldn't recommend it. this is because the 86 transmission is based off a proven old design. ND miata transmission are new and have been known to blow up, so stick with traditional driving for longevity.
and great that you've gotten into manual, I think alot of people make argument for more power because they've driven faster cars that might have the same amount of enjoyable value. This is great for diversity of thought, recently I drove the Alfa Giulia QF and now everything feels slow lol. Still love my BRZ tho. It's all I can really afford at this time really, different priorities. I think this car is good enough for everyday for sure.

anyways I'm sure others will jump in and tell you not to skip either. Hope it helps.

Thanks for the reply, I spent a lot of time watching videos and reading up on driving a manual, specifically in the BRZ before getting the car. My dad was surprised at how quickly I picked it up when he taught me the day after I bought it, having learned how the mechanics of it worked helped a ton, what I've been developing now is the muscle memory really.

I don't like to skip gears going up and I never do, honestly it's just so much more fun shifting through each gear, up and down. However, if have to slow down, depending on the situation I'll downshift to each gear and let the engine do the braking and continue to downshift as needed. As opposed to rushing to a red light just to come to a complete stop and have to take off from 1 again. Other times the full stop is inevitable. Another thing I do is I'll leave the clutch depressed and sometimes I put the shift knob into each gear on the way down without letting go of the clutch (I've heard this is good to do for the transmission, I honestly do it because it's fun), sometimes I wait to select the appropriate gear for the speed I'm going when it's almost time to accelerate again and match the revs for a smooth transition. So I might find myself going from 5th to 3rd, but it isn't a sudden downshift, no jerking or awful noises (grinding, rattling, etc.) and I'm not forcing the shift knob into place. It feels right.



Didn't mean to derail the thread! I was originally gonna comment that I absolutely love the wing they put on this thing and will heavily consider getting one on my car. Even if it isn't "practical" as this is my daily it looks amazing dammit!

[JD001]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I often wonder if the miata crowd complains about a lack of power as much as others do about the brz/frs/86

Why would they? Its a fast car! Our cars are slow! It has been drummed into me and now I believe it!

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I often wonder if the miata crowd complains about a lack of power as much as others do about the brz/frs/86

I think it depends on the person just like how we are, some thinks we have too little others think enough.

However not many I dare say no one says "TOO MUCH power"

They miata community love the ND because of great power to weight ratio.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If downshift to slow down I row through each gear every single time. Habit from driving truck I think.

I actually learned Manual in a 1986 Toyota Hilux! so that's probably where I get the habit.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I often wonder if the miata crowd complains about a lack of power as much as others do about the brz/frs/86

All the time, but they have super ridiculous cheap parts that interchange through some of the generations and they also had a factory turbo car....as well as multiple engine swap options and transmission options in a similar chassis.


People often complained about why the original Miata didn't come with the turbo 1.6. Especially since it was so easy to do as that was an engine option at the time and the Miata motor literally had all the plug ins for the turbo...just blocked off.


Almost like people asking for FA20DIT instead, except less of a hassle to package.